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From: David Bremner <david@tethera.net>
To: eliz@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:13:56 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83k05mfacf.fsf@gnu.org


> The reason stated by Rob was that they want to prevent "writing to
> user's HOME directory".  I don't think I understand the rationale well
> enough, and I asked some questions about it.  I hope Rob will answer,
> and then we could continue discussing what is reasonable for that use
> case.

For package builds, Debian has the following policy 

    https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#main-building-script-debian-rules

in particular

    Required targets must not attempt to write outside of the unpacked
    source package tree. There are two exceptions. Firstly, the binary
    targets may write the binary packages to the parent directory of the
    unpacked source package tree. Secondly, required targets may write
    to /tmp, /var/tmp and to the directory specified by the TMPDIR
    environment variable, but must not depend on the contents of any of
    these.

    This restriction is intended to prevent source package builds
    creating and depending on state outside of themselves, thus
    affecting multiple independent rebuilds. In particular, the required
    targets must not attempt to write into HOME.

Some additional byte compilation happens at package install time. In my
view the same restrictions should apply there. In addition to the
unintentional sharing of state mentioned in policy, there is also the
issue of cleaning up after a package on uninstall. This is manageable
now because any generated .elc files go in a package specific directory,
which can just be removed on purging the package.

I think just turning off native compilation when HOME is not writeable
would be sensible from a Debian point of view. Emacs did not previously
require a writable HOME (although maybe most users never tested
this). It would be unfortunate if this changed for Emacs with native
compilation support.

David

PS. Please CC me on any replies (that you want me to read). I'm not
subscribed to the list.

PPS. This reply is synthesized from "reply via email" on the archive
     page. Apologies in advance for any list etiquette failures.
     



             reply	other threads:[~2022-09-30 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-30 13:13 David Bremner [this message]
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55   ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02  5:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02  6:10               ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54                   ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13                       ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 16:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03  9:12                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:41                                             ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:40                                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:45                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05  1:09                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05  6:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06                                                       ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31                                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07  9:22                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08  5:51                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43                                                               ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13                                                             ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:12                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:44                                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:56                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53                                             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  3:07                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:30                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  9:32                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16  8:56                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  9:01                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:34                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:39                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:03                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:07                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:19                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:26                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:39                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  4:32                                         ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06  5:04                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06  6:52                                           ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05                           ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:38                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:31                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  6:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  8:37                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  9:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  9:51                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59                                 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56                                     ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40                                         ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06  5:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:35                                             ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:34                               ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  7:11                                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  8:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:02                                       ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49                                           ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:52                                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02  5:58   ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53       ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23           ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17                           ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02                               ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:16                           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-04  9:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05  0:48                               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-05  7:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 17:47                                 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-10-15 17:39                                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:46                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:01                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 20:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 16:27           ` tomas
2022-10-02 17:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:51               ` tomas
2022-10-02 23:58           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:32       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:57           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 15:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 16:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 21:58                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-04  6:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 17:05   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 17:32     ` David Bremner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-23 18:43 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 15:22 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:08   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:33     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 18:55   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 18:35     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 19:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28  1:04 Rob Browning
2022-09-28 11:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 20:22   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13  5:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 19:20       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13 20:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-13 20:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 20:57             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 21:29               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 22:37                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 15:06                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:24                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:02                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-16  8:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:29                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16 13:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-16 13:47                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-19 19:39                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-14  6:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 23:20                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:40                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  7:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 14:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 14:10                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 14:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:55                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-17  7:34                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 22:26                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-19 19:33                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 15:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-17  7:20                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:19                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  7:21                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18  8:52                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 11:27                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:56                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 18:12                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:55                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:25                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:20                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 14:18                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 17:06           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-15 17:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:36               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-13 20:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 19:46           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  8:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:53               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  9:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 14:35               ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15 15:56               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:24                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17  7:23                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 16:59                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17 17:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  8:55                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:27                   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16  9:35                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17  7:30                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 11:20                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 17:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 18:49     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 21:32         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  5:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  8:18             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  9:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:32                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29 15:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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