From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org,
david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 20:30:56 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zgeeyvxr.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:17:27 +0200)
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>,
> david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org
> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:17:27 +0200
>
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
> > But I think I agree with Rob that it makes a lot of sense in the context
> > of Debian to eagerly native-compile the packages when they're installed
> > via APT.
>
> I've always assumed that that's what distributions like Debian would
> do. Which means that there should be an easy way to switch JIT off, but
> I've just forgotten to add it.
If everything is already natively-compiled, there's no reason to
switch it off: it will simply not happen.
OTOH, if for some reason an existing .eln file is incompatible with
the user's Emacs (something that can happen easily on a multi-user
system), having JIT compilation active is a clear advantage.
So there's a net win in having it enabled at all times.
In any case, we already have a way of switching off JIT compilation,
at least for some situations which we considered. If there are
situations which we didn't consider, we should consider them as well,
but for that we need to understand the situation in more detail,
something that no one presented yet in this discussion.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-02 17:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-30 13:13 Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) David Bremner
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33 ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55 ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 5:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 6:10 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 9:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:41 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:40 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:45 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 1:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06 ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 9:22 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 5:51 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43 ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:44 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16 8:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 9:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:03 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 4:32 ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06 5:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06 6:52 ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 0:31 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 8:37 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 9:51 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06 5:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:35 ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 7:11 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:02 ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49 ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:52 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 5:58 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17 ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02 ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 0:16 ` Rob Browning
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2022-10-02 18:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2022-10-02 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-02 19:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 20:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 16:27 ` tomas
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2022-10-02 18:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:51 ` tomas
2022-10-02 23:58 ` Sean Whitton
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2022-10-03 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:32 ` Rob Browning
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2022-10-02 19:57 ` Rob Browning
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2022-10-03 16:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 21:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-04 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
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