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From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:04:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xjfk05e5k9t.fsf@ma.sdf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jwi47l6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:24:05 +0200")

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org> writes:
>
>> This is not the case at all, please trust me, your changeset does two
>> things:
>>
>> 1- change the name a knob, but it goes from a maybe un-intuitive one to
>>    just (as explained) a plain wrong one.
>
> It goes from an un-intuitive (and undocumented) one to an
> intuitively-named (and documented) one.

The documentation topic is orthogonal, you could have improved
`native-comp-deferred-compilation' documentation if you wanted.

The naming went first to `inhibit-native-compilation', this was really
just sooo wrong in so many levels :/ So many as many knobs we have to
control and disable different parts of the native compiler.  I can't
really think of one understanding all this machinery and then picking up
this name sorry, I can't.

Then the name became `inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' that is
fortunately just wrong on one level :/

The original name was the name of one of the two mechanisms concurring
to native compilation, that is the reason why it was just not called
"automatic".

> In my opinion, the old variable
> is just as wrong as the current one (because it seemed to imply that
> compilation would be immediate instead of deferred).

`native-comp-deferred-compilation' implies that native compilation can
happen deferred.  But anyway this name was reviewed and the name used
here countless times for long time.  Changing it with zero discussion is
just not good cooperation spirit, sorry.  You can think of it
differently but you just risk to remain alone doing development.

>> 2- add a mechanism that (as explained) cannot help with the user request
>>    in this discussion at all.
>
> And I've explained twice now that 2 is wrong -- these changes do exactly
> what was requested:
>
>   1) It allows testing without writing to $HOME.  (This has nothing to
>   do with --batch -- testing happens in interactive Emacsen, too.)

The user request is for non interactive sessions AFAIU.  And still I've
to understand exactly what the user wants to solve.  Most importantly I
feel I'm not alone here.

>   2) It allows people to run an AOT Emacs without triggering further
>   compilation.

Sorry as changeset I meant 5fec9182db + f97993ee66.  I'm not against
e245c4f226.

> If you have a suggestion for an alternative change that achieves these
> two things, I'm all ears.  (But if your objection is "people shouldn't
> want those two things", I'm down to just two ears again.)

Again 5fec9182db + f97993ee66 are IMO not useful / wrong, they were not
discussed and are just a step backward.  The best change I can suggest
is to revert them now.

Thanks

  Andrea



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-05 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-30 13:13 Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) David Bremner
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55   ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02  5:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02  6:10               ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54                   ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13                       ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 16:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03  9:12                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:41                                             ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:40                                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:45                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05  1:09                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05  6:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06                                                       ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31                                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07  9:22                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08  5:51                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43                                                               ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13                                                             ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04                                               ` Andrea Corallo [this message]
2022-10-05 16:12                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:44                                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:56                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53                                             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  3:07                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:30                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  9:32                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16  8:56                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  9:01                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:34                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:39                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:03                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:07                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:19                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:26                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:39                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  4:32                                         ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06  5:04                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06  6:52                                           ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05                           ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:38                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:31                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  6:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  8:37                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  9:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  9:51                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59                                 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56                                     ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40                                         ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06  5:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:35                                             ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:34                               ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  7:11                                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  8:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:02                                       ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49                                           ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:52                                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02  5:58   ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53       ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23           ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17                           ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02                               ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:16                           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-04  9:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05  0:48                               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-05  7:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 17:47                                 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-10-15 17:39                                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:46                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:01                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 20:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 16:27           ` tomas
2022-10-02 17:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:51               ` tomas
2022-10-02 23:58           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:32       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:57           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 15:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 16:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 21:58                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-04  6:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 17:05   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 17:32     ` David Bremner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-23 18:43 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 15:22 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:08   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:33     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 18:55   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 18:35     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 19:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28  1:04 Rob Browning
2022-09-28 11:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 20:22   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13  5:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 19:20       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13 20:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-13 20:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 20:57             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 21:29               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 22:37                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 15:06                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:24                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:02                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-16  8:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:29                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16 13:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-16 13:47                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-19 19:39                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-14  6:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 23:20                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:40                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  7:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 14:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 14:10                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 14:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:55                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-17  7:34                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 22:26                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-19 19:33                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 15:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-17  7:20                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:19                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  7:21                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18  8:52                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 11:27                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:56                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 18:12                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:55                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:25                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:20                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 14:18                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 17:06           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-15 17:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:36               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-13 20:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 19:46           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  8:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:53               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  9:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 14:35               ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15 15:56               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:24                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17  7:23                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 16:59                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17 17:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  8:55                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:27                   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16  9:35                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17  7:30                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 11:20                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 17:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 18:49     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 21:32         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  5:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  8:18             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  9:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:32                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29 15:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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