From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 18:48:17 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a66czz5q.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7uukngi.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (message from Rob Browning on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:57:49 -0500)
> From: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>
> Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:57:49 -0500
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Please try to understand the nature of the complaints.
>
> For what it's worth, one of the complaints was:
>
> I do not want emacs suddenly swamping the CPU on my laptop
> unpredictably. I want all this work (in the common case) done while I
> know I'm connected to power, before I head out.
>
> ...and we have for a very long time, perhaps as long as I've been
> working with the packaging, had users who are concerned with disk space
> usage, and ask for smaller package footprints.
But Emacs does that all the time: there are many features that invoke
sub-processes and many more features that write to the disk. I never
heard anyone complaining seriously about that, and I'm quite sure many
users don't even know which Emacs commands invoke subprocesses under
the hood.
So I'm not sure these complaints are based on real problems. Did
anyone compare the "sudden swamp of the CPU" caused by JIT native
compilation with what happens with other commands that invoke
subprocesses? If so, did they present some quantitative data?
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Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-30 13:13 Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) David Bremner
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33 ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55 ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 5:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 6:10 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 9:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:41 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:40 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:45 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 1:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06 ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 9:22 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 5:51 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43 ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:44 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16 8:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 9:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:03 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 4:32 ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06 5:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06 6:52 ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 0:31 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 8:37 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 9:51 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06 5:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:35 ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 7:11 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:02 ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49 ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:52 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 5:58 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17 ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02 ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 0:16 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-04 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 0:48 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-05 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-15 17:39 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:46 ` Rob Browning
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2022-10-02 19:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 20:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 16:27 ` tomas
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2022-10-02 18:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:51 ` tomas
2022-10-02 23:58 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:32 ` Rob Browning
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2022-10-02 19:57 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-03 16:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 21:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-04 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 17:05 ` David Bremner
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2022-10-17 7:20 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-17 7:21 ` Andrea Corallo
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2022-10-15 17:36 ` Sean Whitton
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2022-10-15 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:53 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 9:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 14:35 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15 15:56 ` Andrea Corallo
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2022-10-17 16:59 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17 17:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-16 9:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16 9:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17 7:30 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 11:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
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