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From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ELPA policy
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:26:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ilwroex822.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mxpabjj3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon\, 15 Nov 2010 12\:09\:52 -0500")

Chong Yidong wrote:

> (Incidentally, there are also some packages in Emacs that might be
> usefully moved out into elpa.gnu.org, e.g. since they are so rarely
> used.  We could also move some of the files in obsolete/ into a
> subrepository, e.g. elpa.gnu.org/packages/obsolete)

I don't see how that would work. If, as soon as something becomes
obsolete, you move it to elpa, you've defeated the entire point of
obsolescence. Emacs goes from "you can assume we have function foo" to
"you can't rely on us having function foo" (unless your users have
added an optional package).

If on the other hand you move it to elpa at the point it which it
would normally be deleted altogether, then you're just prolonging its
life, when the whole point of making things obsolete is to migrate
people away from them.

And to move it at some intermediate stage seems a little pointless.

> (Also, as stated before, the FSF's policy is that for a package to be
> listed on elpa.gnu.org its copyright must be assigned, in the exact same
> way as if it's included in Emacs core.)

I was surprised to see AUCTeX there, since I thought its copyright was
notoriously hard to assign. At a quick glance, tex-fptex.el, tex-jp.el
have non-FSF copyrights in the headers, and there is no information
for the images/ directory. The texinfo source of the manuals and pdfs
also appears to be missing (maybe this is by design).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-16  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 282+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-15 15:40 ELPA policy Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:41       ` rainbow-mode (was: ELPA policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 21:52         ` Drew Adams
2010-11-15 22:06           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  5:11             ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-16 13:25               ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:03                 ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:22                   ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:44                     ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:50                       ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:05                         ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:53                       ` rainbow-mode Julien Danjou
2010-11-16 15:39               ` rainbow-mode Drew Adams
2010-11-17  4:02                 ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:56         ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:05           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  3:15           ` rainbow-mode Glenn Morris
2010-11-16  4:06             ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-16  5:55             ` rainbow-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 13:50             ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs (was: rainbow-mode) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:01               ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 15:14                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:10                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 19:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:40                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:02                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 21:21                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:17                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 18:05                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:11                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  8:01                       ` AUCTeX inclusion [Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-17 15:00                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-18  4:25                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-19  6:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-20  7:45                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-20  8:20                             ` David Kastrup
2010-11-22 14:56                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:29                     ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Eric Schulte
2010-11-16 19:00                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:32                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-11-17 19:29                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 19:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-11-17 20:58                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 22:19                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-19  6:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 23:17                               ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-17 23:34                                 ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-18 15:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-20 10:05                               ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2010-11-20 15:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 14:47                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-22 16:47                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-22 18:48                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-23 17:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-23 17:58                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18  0:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18 21:27                             ` Drew Adams
2010-11-16 19:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:44                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-16 20:21                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 21:37                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  4:04                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:06     ` ELPA policy Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris [this message]
2010-11-15 17:27 ` elpa.gnu.org policy (was: ELPA policy) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 18:01   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Lluís
2010-11-15 18:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 20:19       ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:46         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 22:06           ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:20           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  4:03               ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 13:31                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:10                   ` compat unification (was: elpa.gnu.org policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:31                     ` compat unification Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 15:44                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 22:20                         ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 15:56                   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Drew Adams
2010-11-15 18:50 ` ELPA policy Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-04 17:36 Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Drew Adams
2020-05-05  7:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 10:14   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 11:57     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 13:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:47         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 16:20           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-06  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 13:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-06 14:04                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07  2:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-07  3:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07  7:23                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07 13:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  2:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-08  3:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  6:54                               ` ELPA policy (was: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 14:57                                 ` ELPA policy Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 15:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 23:16                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  6:22                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  7:35                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09  7:56                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:16                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-09  8:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:43                                                 ` David Engster
2020-05-09  9:43                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:13                                                     ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:29                                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 11:15                                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-10  2:29                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-09 11:09                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-05-09 15:06                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11 16:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  3:16                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-12 15:00                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 22:34                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05  2:14 Proposed new core library: pl.el John Wiegley
2015-11-05  2:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  2:41   ` ELPA policy (was: Proposed new core library: pl.el) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  3:00     ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  9:08       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 12:51       ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 13:49         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 14:41           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 15:09           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 15:40             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 16:58               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 17:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-06 21:37             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-08 16:30               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 18:00                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  0:53                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:26                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-08 18:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 19:27                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:04                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 19:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 23:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09  1:45                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09  2:59                                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-08 19:55                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09  9:25                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-05  7:13     ` David Kastrup
2015-11-04 12:39 streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 15:50 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 18:06   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 21:58     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 23:20       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:38           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:48             ` ELPA policy (Was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:18               ` ELPA policy Achim Gratz
2015-11-08 17:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:52                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-09  3:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  3:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:15                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 17:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:35                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 19:52                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 20:17                                 ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:38                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:07                                     ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 22:06                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 23:05                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 18:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 15:11                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 17:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 23:47                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:44                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:42                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:52                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-10  0:04                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <"<87lha5snji.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                     ` <"<87d1vhsmuj.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                       ` <"<878u65slue.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                         ` <"<874mgtsjwn.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
2015-11-10 18:28                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:35                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:44                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:49                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:00                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 19:15                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:52                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:37                                       ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:57                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 20:19                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 21:27                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 22:40                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:45                                           ` David Engster
2015-11-10 21:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:43                                     ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:52                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:58                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:20                                             ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:43                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:02                                                 ` David Engster
2015-11-10 20:24                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:08                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:31                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:36                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:25                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 13:52                                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-11 21:22                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 13:24                                                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:17                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 19:31                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-14 10:16                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 19:52                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 13:06                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-14 10:30                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 13:01                                                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-17 16:18                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 15:51                                                                           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-11 17:02                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 17:24                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 14:02                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:59                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 21:58                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14  1:15                                                                       ` JJ Asghar
2015-11-14 17:23                                                               ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-11-15 16:37                                                                 ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                                             ` <<86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <<E1ZwYnH-0004b0-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-11 17:47                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 19:23                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:58                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 23:27                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-12  0:35                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  0:42                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12 22:34                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-13  0:49                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  6:49                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 15:09                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-12 17:29                                                                           ` Alex Schröder
2015-11-12 22:33                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14 10:33                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-14 21:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<86oaezemp9.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<E1Zx0QR-0004QE-Ga@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12 23:05                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-13  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-13 22:00                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<E1ZxMOr-0004hb-VH@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-13 23:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-11-14  1:44                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-15  9:28                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-15 15:44                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-17 22:55                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:17                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18  9:53                                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 10:12                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]                                                                   ` <<m2twosgx1m.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<E1Zwent-0000bG-9i@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12  0:22                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 23:01                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:53                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 23:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:52                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 18:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:29                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:25                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:23                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:16                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:36                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:01                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  9:13                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 14:58                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-09 18:22                       ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 18:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 18:58                           ` David Engster
2015-11-09 19:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:35                               ` David Engster
2015-11-09 20:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:53                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-09 19:58                           ` Achim Gratz
     [not found] <<87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr>

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