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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:21:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3lj4tuii3.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3oc9pgij2.fsf@fleche.redhat.com

Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com> writes:

> I also hope the distros move to using package.el for elisp activation.

The distros have perfectly good packaging solutions already, and they
have the QA in place to make sure that whatever you're downloading will
play nice with what you already have.

Which we don't really have, and it sounds from the discussion that the
Emacs maintainers think it would be too much work to have branches for
each Emacs, for instance.

So we'd basically have the same situation that Perl has with CTAN
vs. the packages that (say) Debian has.  You can say "apt-get install
libemail-mime-createhtml-perl" and get a version of that library that
you know will work on your machine, or you can root around on CTAN,
download the latest version there, and it'll probably work -- except for
the times it doesn't, because it relies on something that's slightly too
new for your machine.

Decoupled packaging over the long haul is hard.  Making sure that
separate packages work together over a decade is difficult.
Dependencies change and stuff break.

I want to be able to install Emacs in 2015 and just have it work without
getting into a morass of packages that I have to install from here and
there.  I want to say "apt-get install emacs", and possibly "apt-get
install slime" (if that's not in Emacs by then), and know that I have
something that has been tested to work on the machine I have then.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen




  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-16 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-15 15:40 ELPA policy Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:41       ` rainbow-mode (was: ELPA policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 21:52         ` Drew Adams
2010-11-15 22:06           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  5:11             ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-16 13:25               ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:03                 ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:22                   ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:44                     ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:50                       ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:05                         ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:53                       ` rainbow-mode Julien Danjou
2010-11-16 15:39               ` rainbow-mode Drew Adams
2010-11-17  4:02                 ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:56         ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:05           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  3:15           ` rainbow-mode Glenn Morris
2010-11-16  4:06             ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-16  5:55             ` rainbow-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 13:50             ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs (was: rainbow-mode) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:01               ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 15:14                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:10                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 19:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:40                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:02                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 21:21                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:17                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 18:05                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:11                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  8:01                       ` AUCTeX inclusion [Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-17 15:00                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-18  4:25                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-19  6:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-20  7:45                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-20  8:20                             ` David Kastrup
2010-11-22 14:56                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:29                     ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Eric Schulte
2010-11-16 19:00                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:32                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-11-17 19:29                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 19:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-11-17 20:58                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 22:19                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-19  6:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 23:17                               ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-17 23:34                                 ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-18 15:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-20 10:05                               ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2010-11-20 15:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 14:47                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-22 16:47                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-22 18:48                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-23 17:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-23 17:58                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18  0:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18 21:27                             ` Drew Adams
2010-11-16 19:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:44                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-16 20:21                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2010-11-16 21:37                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  4:04                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:06     ` ELPA policy Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 17:27 ` elpa.gnu.org policy (was: ELPA policy) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 18:01   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Lluís
2010-11-15 18:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 20:19       ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:46         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 22:06           ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:20           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  4:03               ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 13:31                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:10                   ` compat unification (was: elpa.gnu.org policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:31                     ` compat unification Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 15:44                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 22:20                         ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 15:56                   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Drew Adams
2010-11-15 18:50 ` ELPA policy Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman

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