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From: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ELPA policy
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 18:18:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ziyoxvdp.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2twp15l0g.fsf_-_@newartisans.com

John Wiegley writes:
> I would in fact like to see more packages move from core into ELPA, although
> I'm not eager to do so willy nilly. Some packages now in Core are just fun, or
> should be there because people are used to them being there, even if today we
> wouldn't necessarily add that package to core.

I've proposed this before, but I guess I should run it by you again (and
warn you it wasn't favorably received):

The current definition of "core" is that the sources live inside the
Emacs repository.  Several of the larger core packages like Org, CEDET
and Gnus are already largely developed outside Emacs, for instance
because the developers want to keep them compatible with different/older
Emacsen and need to be synced into Emacs sources to make them "core"
anyway.

I posit that the only thing that actually matters for something to be
considered "core" is that authors of other packages can rely on the
(stable) API provided by these packages to be available in an Emacs as
it gets distributed and no installation of further packages or software
is necessary, neither by the sysadmin nor the user.  If so, instead of
keeping the "core" sources all in Emacs, they could equally well be
living in ELPA and be pre-installed into the distribution, or installed
into the Emacs build tree as submodules or subtrees.  The most radical
(and likely most controversial) thing to do would be to move everything
to ELPA that isn't needed to bootstrap Emacs.

Doing this would need some as of yet non-existing infrastructure to get
the chosen ELPA version of each package built into the distribution, and
facilities for sysadmins and users to update (but not disable) the
"core" packages at the system level or in their private directories.
Emacs may eventually distribute some "non-core" packages also that
sysadmins or users could disable if they chose to not use them.


Regards,
Achim.
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-08 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04 12:39 streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 15:50 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 16:59   ` Damien Cassou
2015-11-04 18:06   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 19:17     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 21:58     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 23:20       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-04 23:31         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05  0:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:38           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:48             ` ELPA policy (Was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:52               ` T.V Raman
2015-11-08 17:18               ` Achim Gratz [this message]
2015-11-08 17:49                 ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:52                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-09  3:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  3:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 11:15                         ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Oleh Krehel
2015-11-09 13:51                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:02                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-09 16:22                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:41                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 15:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:13                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 21:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 16:25                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 16:11                           ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10  7:26                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:24                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:05                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:15                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 17:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:35                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 19:52                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 20:17                                 ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:38                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:07                                     ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 22:06                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 23:05                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 18:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 15:11                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 17:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 23:47                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:44                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:42                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:52                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-10  0:04                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <"<87lha5snji.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                     ` <"<87d1vhsmuj.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                       ` <"<878u65slue.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                         ` <"<874mgtsjwn.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
2015-11-10 18:28                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:35                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:44                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:49                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:00                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 15:15                                             ` xref and GNU Global (Re: ELPA policy) Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 15:22                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 23:19                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:32                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12  7:07                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:12                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:52                                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-12  7:05                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:15                                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 22:44                                           ` xref CEDET (was ELPA policy) Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 21:52                                         ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:37                                       ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:57                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 20:19                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 21:27                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 22:40                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:45                                           ` David Engster
2015-11-10 21:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:43                                     ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:52                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:58                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:20                                             ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:43                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:02                                                 ` David Engster
2015-11-10 20:24                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:08                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:31                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:36                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:25                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 13:52                                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-11 21:22                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 13:24                                                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:17                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 19:31                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-14 10:16                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 19:52                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 13:06                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-14 10:30                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 13:01                                                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-17 16:18                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 15:51                                                                           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-11 17:02                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 17:24                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 14:02                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:59                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 21:58                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14  1:15                                                                       ` JJ Asghar
2015-11-14 17:23                                                               ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-11-15 16:37                                                                 ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                                             ` <<86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <<E1ZwYnH-0004b0-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-11 17:47                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 19:23                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:58                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 23:27                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-12  0:35                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  0:42                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12 22:34                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-13  0:49                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  6:49                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 15:09                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-12 17:29                                                                           ` Alex Schröder
2015-11-12 22:33                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14 10:33                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-14 21:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<86oaezemp9.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<E1Zx0QR-0004QE-Ga@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12 23:05                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-13  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-13 22:00                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<E1ZxMOr-0004hb-VH@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-13 23:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-11-14  1:44                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-15  9:28                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-15 15:44                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-17 22:55                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:17                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18  9:53                                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 10:12                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]                                                                   ` <<m2twosgx1m.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<E1Zwent-0000bG-9i@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12  0:22                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 23:01                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:53                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 23:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:52                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 18:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:29                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:25                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:23                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:16                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:36                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:01                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  9:13                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 14:58                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-09 18:22                       ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 18:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 18:58                           ` David Engster
2015-11-09 19:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:35                               ` David Engster
2015-11-09 20:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:53                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-09 19:58                           ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-05 17:06           ` streams and generators (was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 22:36             ` streams and generators Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-04 23:34       ` streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05  9:27         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 11:26           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 11:52             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 16:31               ` raman
2015-11-05 16:48                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 21:58                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:05                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 23:34                       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-06  0:02                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06  0:39                           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05 23:52                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06  2:19                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06  2:47                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06 15:09                             ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-06 10:49                           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 13:09                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 13:43                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 15:41                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 16:13                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:36                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 10:47                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06  2:08                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 15:33                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 16:08                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:12                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:06               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 14:12             ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 17:00 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 12:28     ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05 13:45       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 15:15         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 16:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06  9:54         ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 17:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-04 17:36 Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Drew Adams
2020-05-05  7:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 10:14   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 11:57     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 13:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:47         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 16:20           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-06  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 13:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-06 14:04                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07  2:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-07  3:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07  7:23                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07 13:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  2:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-08  3:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  6:54                               ` ELPA policy (was: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 14:57                                 ` ELPA policy Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 15:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 23:16                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  6:22                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  7:35                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09  7:56                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:16                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-09  8:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:43                                                 ` David Engster
2020-05-09  9:43                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:13                                                     ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:29                                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 11:15                                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-10  2:29                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-09 11:09                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-05-09 15:06                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11 16:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  3:16                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-12 15:00                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 22:34                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05  2:14 Proposed new core library: pl.el John Wiegley
2015-11-05  2:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  2:41   ` ELPA policy (was: Proposed new core library: pl.el) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  3:00     ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  9:08       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 12:51       ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 13:49         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 14:41           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 15:09           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 15:40             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 16:58               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 17:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-06 21:37             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-08 16:30               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 18:00                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  0:53                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:26                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-08 18:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 19:27                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:04                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 19:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 23:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09  1:45                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09  2:59                                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-08 19:55                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09  9:25                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-05  7:13     ` David Kastrup
2010-11-15 15:40 Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:06     ` Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 18:50 ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
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