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From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: rainbow-mode
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:15:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ik8w0uyn56.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8739r2z1w8.fsf@stupidchicken.com

Chong Yidong wrote:

> as Stefan says, all things being equal, it is preferable to put new
> non-infrastructure packages into elpa.gnu.org.

This is a pretty big change in policy, IMO. Who's going to maintain
these things? Where do the bug reports go? If it were in Emacs proper,
I could and would (maybe) be fixing any bugs in it, improving docs,
etc. If it's in elpa.gnu.org, I'm unlikely to ever even look at the
code. And if I did and wanted to change something, all I have is a
tarfile (no?), the repository lives somewhere else, and I'm unlikely
to bother seeking it out, submitting a patch, etc.

I tried the elpa interface and it seems very nifty, but I do share the
concerns expressed about what it all means in practice for the
maintenance of the associated packages. As an "easy way to get a
package that would otherwise not be in Emacs" (eg AUCTeX), it seems
really nice; for farming out things that otherwise _would_ be in
Emacs proper, not so much.

Some of these issues would go away if these "non-infrastructure"
packages (not AUCTeX etc, but rather the things that would have been
added to Emacs before elpa) were hosted in a central Savannah bzr
repository (or possible as a subdirectory in the existing Emacs
repository that is excluded from the tarfiles; I'm not sure if the
number of files in the Bzr version of Emacs matters very much), so
that the Emacs developers can and do feel able to help maintain them.
From my point of, the ideal thing would be something like a separate
top-level "elpa/" directory in the normal repo, not compiled by
default, that I could compile with `make elpa' or somesuch.

Then putting something on elpa doesn't mean relegating it to being a
second-class citizen.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-16  3:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-15 15:40 ELPA policy Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:41       ` rainbow-mode (was: ELPA policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 21:52         ` Drew Adams
2010-11-15 22:06           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  5:11             ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-16 13:25               ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:03                 ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:22                   ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:44                     ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:50                       ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:05                         ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:53                       ` rainbow-mode Julien Danjou
2010-11-16 15:39               ` rainbow-mode Drew Adams
2010-11-17  4:02                 ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:56         ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:05           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  3:15           ` Glenn Morris [this message]
2010-11-16  4:06             ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-16  5:55             ` rainbow-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 13:50             ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs (was: rainbow-mode) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:01               ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 15:14                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:10                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 19:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:40                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:02                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 21:21                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:17                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 18:05                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:11                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  8:01                       ` AUCTeX inclusion [Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-17 15:00                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-18  4:25                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-19  6:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-20  7:45                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-20  8:20                             ` David Kastrup
2010-11-22 14:56                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:29                     ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Eric Schulte
2010-11-16 19:00                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:32                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-11-17 19:29                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 19:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-11-17 20:58                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 22:19                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-19  6:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 23:17                               ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-17 23:34                                 ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-18 15:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-20 10:05                               ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2010-11-20 15:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 14:47                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-22 16:47                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-22 18:48                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-23 17:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-23 17:58                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18  0:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18 21:27                             ` Drew Adams
2010-11-16 19:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:44                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-16 20:21                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 21:37                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  4:04                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:06     ` ELPA policy Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 17:27 ` elpa.gnu.org policy (was: ELPA policy) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 18:01   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Lluís
2010-11-15 18:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 20:19       ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:46         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 22:06           ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:20           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  4:03               ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 13:31                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:10                   ` compat unification (was: elpa.gnu.org policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:31                     ` compat unification Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 15:44                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 22:20                         ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 15:56                   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Drew Adams
2010-11-15 18:50 ` ELPA policy Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman

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