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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com>
Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ELPA policy
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 05:42:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8337wfon3f.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvuorz7n.fsf@gmail.com>

> From: Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 20:52:12 +0000
> 
> Imagine someone implements an awesome new feature for dired.  Emacs
> users the world over are amazed by this, and fill their blogs, twitter,
> etc. with the news.  If dired is an ELPA package, everyone who hears
> this news can get the new feature in their emacs instantly by upgrading
> their ELPA packages.  No need to wait N months for a new release of
> emacs, or compile a non-release version of emacs from git.

How is this different when Dired is in the Emacs repository?  The
Emacs repository is a public one, so anyone and everyone can get the
latest version from there and use it, if they want.

> I also think that discussion around this topic is distorted by a
> long-tailed distribution.  Most people probably have in mind the big
> emacs packages with dynamic developer communities and independent
> release cycles.  Org, Gnus, CEDET, and maybe a few others.  On the other
> hand, it seems to me that you have in mind (in addition to these) all
> the tiny packages that see very few commits and perhaps no new features
> (in the extreme case take kermit.el, which has seen no substantive
> changes since at least 1992, but still gets its copyright header
> lovingly updated every year).  I don’t know how to reconcile these
> viewpoints, or even if it’s necessary.  Just something to consider.

The suggestion was to move _all_ of them, except the few that are
needed for bootstrap, out of the Emacs repository.  Most of the
packages in that category are neither like Org nor like kermit.  They
are relatively small, but get quite a significant number of changes.

> Speaking for myself, my primary interest in emacs development is working
> on org-mode, and I heavily use org as well as third-party packages for
> python (elpy), clojure (cider), R (ESS), and a few other random things.
> I build emacs from git every month or so in order to pick up little
> quality of life improvements, like with-eval-afer-load, some of the
> subr-x stuff, seq.el, the overhauled package menu, etc.  But I have to
> make sure to keep a couple months’ worth of old emacsen around, in case
> my monthly pull happens to land on a buggy commit – one that causes
> regular segfaults, which I have had happen more than once.  I use emacs
> for work so I don’t have the luxury of just going without for a few days
> until the problem is fixed.  I could go back to a previous released
> version of course, but then my init.el breaks because it relies on new
> features since the release.

I don't see how the issue at hand can affect you, then.  Your usage is
very similar to mine, FWIW.




  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-09  3:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04 12:39 streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 15:50 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 16:59   ` Damien Cassou
2015-11-04 18:06   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 19:17     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 21:58     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 23:20       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-04 23:31         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05  0:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:38           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:48             ` ELPA policy (Was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:52               ` T.V Raman
2015-11-08 17:18               ` ELPA policy Achim Gratz
2015-11-08 17:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:52                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-09  3:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-11-09  3:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 11:15                         ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Oleh Krehel
2015-11-09 13:51                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:02                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-09 16:22                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:41                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 15:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:13                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 21:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 16:25                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 16:11                           ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10  7:26                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:24                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:05                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:15                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 17:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:35                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 19:52                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 20:17                                 ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:38                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:07                                     ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 22:06                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 23:05                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 18:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 15:11                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 17:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 23:47                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:44                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:42                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:52                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-10  0:04                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <"<87lha5snji.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                     ` <"<87d1vhsmuj.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                       ` <"<878u65slue.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                         ` <"<874mgtsjwn.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
2015-11-10 18:28                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:35                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:44                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:49                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:00                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 15:15                                             ` xref and GNU Global (Re: ELPA policy) Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 15:22                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 23:19                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:32                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12  7:07                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:12                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:52                                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-12  7:05                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:15                                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 22:44                                           ` xref CEDET (was ELPA policy) Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 21:52                                         ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:37                                       ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:57                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 20:19                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 21:27                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 22:40                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:45                                           ` David Engster
2015-11-10 21:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:43                                     ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:52                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:58                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:20                                             ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:43                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:02                                                 ` David Engster
2015-11-10 20:24                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:08                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:31                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:36                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:25                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 13:52                                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-11 21:22                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 13:24                                                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:17                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 19:31                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-14 10:16                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 19:52                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 13:06                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-14 10:30                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 13:01                                                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-17 16:18                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 15:51                                                                           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-11 17:02                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 17:24                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 14:02                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:59                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 21:58                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14  1:15                                                                       ` JJ Asghar
2015-11-14 17:23                                                               ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-11-15 16:37                                                                 ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                                             ` <<86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <<E1ZwYnH-0004b0-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-11 17:47                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 19:23                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:58                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 23:27                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-12  0:35                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  0:42                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12 22:34                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-13  0:49                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  6:49                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 15:09                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-12 17:29                                                                           ` Alex Schröder
2015-11-12 22:33                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14 10:33                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-14 21:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<86oaezemp9.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<E1Zx0QR-0004QE-Ga@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12 23:05                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-13  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-13 22:00                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<E1ZxMOr-0004hb-VH@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-13 23:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-11-14  1:44                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-15  9:28                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-15 15:44                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-17 22:55                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:17                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18  9:53                                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 10:12                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]                                                                   ` <<m2twosgx1m.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<E1Zwent-0000bG-9i@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12  0:22                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 23:01                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:53                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 23:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:52                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 18:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:29                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:25                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:23                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:16                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:36                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:01                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  9:13                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 14:58                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-09 18:22                       ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 18:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 18:58                           ` David Engster
2015-11-09 19:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:35                               ` David Engster
2015-11-09 20:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:53                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-09 19:58                           ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-05 17:06           ` streams and generators (was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 22:36             ` streams and generators Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-04 23:34       ` streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05  9:27         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 11:26           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 11:52             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 16:31               ` raman
2015-11-05 16:48                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 21:58                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:05                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 23:34                       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-06  0:02                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06  0:39                           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05 23:52                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06  2:19                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06  2:47                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06 15:09                             ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-06 10:49                           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 13:09                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 13:43                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 15:41                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 16:13                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:36                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 10:47                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06  2:08                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 15:33                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 16:08                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:12                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:06               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 14:12             ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 17:00 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 12:28     ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05 13:45       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 15:15         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 16:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06  9:54         ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 17:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-04 17:36 Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Drew Adams
2020-05-05  7:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 10:14   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 11:57     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 13:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:47         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 16:20           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-06  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 13:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-06 14:04                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07  2:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-07  3:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07  7:23                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07 13:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  2:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-08  3:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  6:54                               ` ELPA policy (was: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 14:57                                 ` ELPA policy Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 15:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 23:16                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  6:22                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  7:35                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09  7:56                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:16                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-09  8:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:43                                                 ` David Engster
2020-05-09  9:43                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:13                                                     ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:29                                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 11:15                                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-10  2:29                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-09 11:09                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-05-09 15:06                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11 16:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  3:16                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-12 15:00                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 22:34                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05  2:14 Proposed new core library: pl.el John Wiegley
2015-11-05  2:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  2:41   ` ELPA policy (was: Proposed new core library: pl.el) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  3:00     ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  9:08       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 12:51       ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 13:49         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 14:41           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 15:09           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 15:40             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 16:58               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 17:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-06 21:37             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-08 16:30               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 18:00                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  0:53                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:26                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-08 18:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 19:27                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:04                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 19:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 23:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09  1:45                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09  2:59                                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-08 19:55                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09  9:25                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-05  7:13     ` David Kastrup
2010-11-15 15:40 Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:06     ` Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 18:50 ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
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