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From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ELPA policy
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:33:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8762vyz5rl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3oc9qh0zy.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:53:37 +0100")

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> figure out how to do reasonable colour distance calculations for
> rendering foreground colours in shr.el.  rainbow-mode (for colourising
> colour specs in, for instance, CSS files) was brought up, that had
> similar needs, and its calculations in the same area might possibly be
> reusable by shr.el.
>
> But apparently rainbow-mode went to ELPA instead of into Emacs, even
> though it's small, it's clearly written, and it seems to be generally
> useful for anybody editing stuff like CSS or .Xdefaults files or
> anything.  So I wondered why that was...

Rainbow-mode, as presented, is a tool for colorizing strings in Emacs
buffers, the kind of neat hack that doesn't really need to be in Emacs.
From your description, it sounds like parts of it can be usefully
refactored into a general color-manipulation library, in which case we
could include that part in Emacs (preferably, using a better prefix than
`rainbow').

> If ELPA is supposed to be a repository of really special-needs code, I
> think it's a good idea.  It would be nice to have an automatic way to
> download, say, one of the Emacs-based mp3 players.  But if it's going
> to carry stuff that people do really want to have in the Emacs
> distribution, then I think it's counter-productive.  Stuff that is in
> Emacs gets loving care.  Things that live in a package repository
> bit-rot at an alarming rate.

Well, obviously it's going to be a judgement call, analogous to the
debates about what goes into distribution DVDs (with programs like Emacs
nowadays frequently not making the cut :-P).  The level of bit-rot is
dependent on the upstream package maintainers; I don't think you can
argue that packages like Auctex (or SLIME or ESS, which are not
packaged) have bit-rotted.

Some packages integrated into Emacs are no longer active upstream but
are still tinkered with by Emacs developers, but what's really happening
here is that we have effectively forked the project.  If a package on
elpa.gnu.org ends up being abandoned, there's little difference in how
we could solve the problem, except the fork would be more explicit than
implicit.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-15 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 282+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-15 15:40 ELPA policy Julien Danjou
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 18:53   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 20:33     ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2010-11-15 21:41       ` rainbow-mode (was: ELPA policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 21:52         ` Drew Adams
2010-11-15 22:06           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  5:11             ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-16 13:25               ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:03                 ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:22                   ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:44                     ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 14:50                       ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:05                         ` rainbow-mode Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:53                       ` rainbow-mode Julien Danjou
2010-11-16 15:39               ` rainbow-mode Drew Adams
2010-11-17  4:02                 ` rainbow-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:56         ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:05           ` rainbow-mode Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  3:15           ` rainbow-mode Glenn Morris
2010-11-16  4:06             ` rainbow-mode Chong Yidong
2010-11-16  5:55             ` rainbow-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 13:50             ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs (was: rainbow-mode) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 15:01               ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 15:14                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:10                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 19:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:40                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:02                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-16 21:21                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 17:17                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 18:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 18:05                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:11                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  8:01                       ` AUCTeX inclusion [Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-17 15:00                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-18  4:25                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-19  6:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-20  7:45                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-11-20  8:20                             ` David Kastrup
2010-11-22 14:56                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 18:29                     ` elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Eric Schulte
2010-11-16 19:00                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 20:32                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-11-17 19:29                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 19:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-11-17 20:58                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 22:19                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-19  6:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-17 23:17                               ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-17 23:34                                 ` Jambunathan K
2010-11-18 15:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-20 10:05                               ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2010-11-20 15:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 14:47                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-22 16:47                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-22 18:48                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-23 17:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-11-23 17:58                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18  0:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-18 21:27                             ` Drew Adams
2010-11-16 19:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 19:44                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-16 20:21                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 21:37                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-17  4:04                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-11-15 21:06     ` ELPA policy Edward O'Connor
2010-11-16  3:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 17:27 ` elpa.gnu.org policy (was: ELPA policy) Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 18:01   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Lluís
2010-11-15 18:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-15 20:19       ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:46         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-15 22:06           ` Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:20           ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 22:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16  4:03               ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 13:31                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 14:10                   ` compat unification (was: elpa.gnu.org policy) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 15:31                     ` compat unification Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16 15:44                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-16 22:20                         ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-16 15:56                   ` elpa.gnu.org policy Drew Adams
2010-11-15 18:50 ` ELPA policy Tom Tromey
2010-11-15 22:10   ` Glenn Morris
2010-11-15 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-15 20:12   ` Chong Yidong
2010-11-15 21:59     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-16 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-04 17:36 Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Drew Adams
2020-05-05  7:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 10:14   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 11:57     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 13:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:47         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-05 16:20           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-06  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 13:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-06 14:04                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07  2:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-07  3:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07  7:23                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-07 13:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  2:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-08  3:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  6:54                               ` ELPA policy (was: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 14:57                                 ` ELPA policy Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 15:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 23:16                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  6:22                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  7:35                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09  7:56                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:16                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-09  8:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09  8:43                                                 ` David Engster
2020-05-09  9:43                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:13                                                     ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 10:29                                                         ` David Engster
2020-05-09 10:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-09 11:15                                                             ` David Engster
2020-05-10  2:29                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-09 11:09                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-05-09 15:06                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11 16:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  3:16                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-12 15:00                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 22:34                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05  2:14 Proposed new core library: pl.el John Wiegley
2015-11-05  2:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  2:41   ` ELPA policy (was: Proposed new core library: pl.el) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  3:00     ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05  9:08       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 12:51       ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 13:49         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 14:41           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2015-11-05 15:09           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 15:40             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 16:58               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 17:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-06 21:37             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-08 16:30               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 18:00                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  0:53                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-08 18:26                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-08 18:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 19:27                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:04                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-08 19:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-08 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 23:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09  1:45                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09  2:59                                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-08 19:55                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09  9:25                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-05  7:13     ` David Kastrup
2015-11-04 12:39 streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 15:50 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 18:06   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 21:58     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 23:20       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:38           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:48             ` ELPA policy (Was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) John Wiegley
2015-11-08 17:18               ` ELPA policy Achim Gratz
2015-11-08 17:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:52                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-09  3:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  3:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:15                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 17:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:35                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 19:52                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 20:17                                 ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:38                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:07                                     ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 22:06                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 23:05                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 18:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 15:11                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 17:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 23:47                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:44                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:42                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:52                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-10  0:04                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <"<87lha5snji.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                     ` <"<87d1vhsmuj.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                       ` <"<878u65slue.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                         ` <"<874mgtsjwn.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
2015-11-10 18:28                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:35                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:44                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:49                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:00                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 19:15                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:52                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:37                                       ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:57                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 20:19                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 21:27                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 22:40                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:45                                           ` David Engster
2015-11-10 21:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:43                                     ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:52                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:58                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:20                                             ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:43                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:02                                                 ` David Engster
2015-11-10 20:24                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:08                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:31                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:36                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:25                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 13:52                                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-11 21:22                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 13:24                                                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:17                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 19:31                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-14 10:16                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 19:52                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 13:06                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-14 10:30                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 13:01                                                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-17 16:18                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 15:51                                                                           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-11 17:02                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 17:24                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 14:02                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:59                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 21:58                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14  1:15                                                                       ` JJ Asghar
2015-11-14 17:23                                                               ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-11-15 16:37                                                                 ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                                             ` <<86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <<E1ZwYnH-0004b0-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-11 17:47                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 19:23                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:58                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 23:27                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-12  0:35                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  0:42                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12 22:34                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-13  0:49                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  6:49                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 15:09                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-12 17:29                                                                           ` Alex Schröder
2015-11-12 22:33                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14 10:33                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-14 21:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<86oaezemp9.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<E1Zx0QR-0004QE-Ga@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12 23:05                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-13  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-13 22:00                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<E1ZxMOr-0004hb-VH@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-13 23:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-11-14  1:44                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-15  9:28                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-15 15:44                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-17 22:55                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:17                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18  9:53                                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 10:12                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]                                                                   ` <<m2twosgx1m.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<E1Zwent-0000bG-9i@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12  0:22                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 23:01                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:53                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 23:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:52                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 18:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:29                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:25                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:23                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:16                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:36                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:01                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  9:13                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 14:58                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-09 18:22                       ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 18:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 18:58                           ` David Engster
2015-11-09 19:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:35                               ` David Engster
2015-11-09 20:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:53                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-09 19:58                           ` Achim Gratz
     [not found] <<87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr>

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