From: Michael Toomim <toomim@cs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: Terje Bless <link@pobox.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il>,
jas@extundo.com, bradym@balestra.org,
xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:40:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9v4n1$eck$2@main.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: sxsbscdt1i3.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de
Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> Then keep using the menus and ignore my suggestions. I merely tried
> to help.
I don't think that Terje meant to offend anyone. He noticed that the Emacs
developers were discussing the problems that new users have with the UI, and
that the developers would like to know what specific problems new users
actually have. So he offered his two cents of real-world experience.
If the devlopers aren't interested in knowing why so many programmers these
days are staying away from Emacs, then keep the UI problems and ignore Terje's
suggestions. He merely tried to help.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-21 19:40 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <f01050101-1013-2EBD099554C511D6B75900039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-21 1:45 ` The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-21 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <sxssn5pvn7u.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de>
2002-04-21 2:10 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-21 3:21 ` Michael Toomim
2002-04-21 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-21 15:11 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 17:17 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-21 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <sxsbscdt1i3.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de>
2002-04-21 19:40 ` Michael Toomim [this message]
[not found] ` <3CC31593.1040001@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-22 3:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <7263-Sun21Apr2002220242+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-21 21:30 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-22 3:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-22 6:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:33 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-23 22:27 ` Terje Bless
[not found] ` <vafg01mk5tm.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-23 12:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 13:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 13:34 ` Kai Großjohann
[not found] ` <vafg01mh72r.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-23 14:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-23 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 23:23 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-22 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22 4:18 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 3:07 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-23 11:26 ` Kai Großjohann
[not found] ` <3CC23021.5090506@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-21 15:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] <000401c1ebfa$5bc43060$947ba8c0@TSUNAMI>
2002-05-01 8:33 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020424090919.4915F-100000@is>
2002-04-25 2:04 ` Hrvoje Niksic
[not found] <f01050101-1014-A82EBF4C571711D6A31200039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-24 0:43 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-24 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 9:23 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] <f01050101-1014-AEEDD9C8571711D6A31200039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-24 9:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] <f01050101-1014-BA54C556571711D6A31200039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-24 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <m2k7qymbos.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-24 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 16:31 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-24 0:08 Terje Bless
[not found] <vafk7qyk64g.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-23 23:21 ` Terje Bless
[not found] ` <f01050101-1014-AC0D4356571711D6A31200039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-24 3:45 ` Sean MacLennan
2002-04-24 10:15 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-24 17:40 ` Jan D.
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204221304080.3349-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-22 12:33 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-23 19:31 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020423173957.27983A@is>
2002-04-23 16:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 18:38 ` Michael Matthew Toomim
2002-04-23 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <2950-Tue23Apr2002222955+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-23 22:13 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-23 23:51 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020423093250.22959G-100000@is>
2002-04-23 7:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <rj662jq5ef.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-04-22 12:59 ` Simon Josefsson
[not found] <buoelh89xik.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-04-22 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <000501c1e8b4$abd058c0$947ba8c0@TSUNAMI>
2002-04-21 15:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020421092955.2767F-100000@is>
2002-04-21 15:29 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 3:07 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-23 18:42 ` Michael Matthew Toomim
[not found] ` <3CC5AB1D.5000004@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-23 18:52 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-25 1:41 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-25 1:41 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-23 23:14 ` Terje Bless
[not found] <000601c1e8b5$2960f830$947ba8c0@TSUNAMI>
2002-04-21 10:57 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-04-21 14:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] <87sn5q2mj4.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix>
2002-04-21 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <f01050101-1013-195C612D544F11D6B75900039300CF5C@[192.168.1.7]>
2002-04-20 11:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-20 14:12 ` Serge Wroclawski
2002-04-20 16:28 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-20 18:51 ` Matt Tucker
[not found] ` <7263-Sat20Apr2002145929+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-20 12:22 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-20 14:04 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-20 15:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-20 18:59 ` Andreas Schwab
[not found] ` <E16ywpH-0004J0-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
2002-04-20 19:48 ` Hrvoje Niksic
[not found] ` <sxs8z7inobz.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de>
2002-04-21 0:56 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 5:41 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-21 5:57 ` Hrvoje Niksic
[not found] ` <sxsu1q5twz5.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de>
2002-04-21 7:24 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <87adrxo6o7.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp>
2002-04-21 12:21 ` Robert J. Chassell
[not found] ` <m16zGLO-000IiIC@localhost>
2002-04-21 13:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:17 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-21 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-20 19:17 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] ` <87adrypnjn.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp>
2002-04-20 19:33 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] ` <3CC1C275.6090009@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-20 21:26 ` Kyle Jones
[not found] ` <15553.56593.407791.923999@ice.wonderworks.com>
2002-04-20 21:48 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-20 23:16 ` Michael Toomim
2002-04-21 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-20 23:58 ` Terje Bless
[not found] ` <3CC1BEB9.9020104@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-20 19:28 ` Kyle Jones
2002-04-20 19:33 ` Nix
2002-04-20 19:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
[not found] ` <15553.49507.745094.604981@ice.wonderworks.com>
2002-04-21 0:04 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 3:24 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] ` <3CC230D1.2040106@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-21 3:46 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <87elhap2r4.fsf@lgh163a.kemisten.nu>
2002-04-21 1:09 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 11:37 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-04-21 3:28 ` Michael Toomim
[not found] ` <3CC231D2.6020709@cs.berkeley.edu>
2002-04-21 11:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
[not found] ` <873cxpz436.fsf@lgh163a.kemisten.nu>
2002-04-21 15:41 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-21 17:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-04-21 17:08 ` Robert J. Chassell
[not found] ` <m16zKoy-000IioC@localhost>
2002-04-21 17:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-04-20 23:48 ` Terje Bless
[not found] <4.3.2.7.2.20020419095141.00bf8580@san-francisco.beasys.com>
2002-04-20 15:44 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-20 16:59 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-20 19:42 ` Hrvoje Niksic
[not found] ` <sxshem6nolr.fsf@florida.arsdigita.de>
2002-04-21 3:47 ` Michael Toomim
2002-04-21 8:44 ` Per Abrahamsen
[not found] <4.3.2.7.2.20020417123512.0398e4c8@san-francisco.beasys.com>
2002-04-19 11:40 ` Per Abrahamsen
[not found] ` <rjk7r3zzk4.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-04-19 16:27 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-19 16:55 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-20 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <4.3.2.7.2.20020419095654.00bee3c0@san-francisco.beasys.com>
2002-04-19 19:01 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-20 17:28 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <200204201728.g3KHSDW01513@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-20 21:45 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-21 15:54 ` William M. Perry
[not found] ` <m2g01rbjhi.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-19 20:28 ` Andy Piper
[not found] ` <4.3.2.7.2.20020419132421.00bfa9d0@san-francisco.beasys.com>
2002-04-19 20:39 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-20 23:53 ` William M. Perry
[not found] ` <m2d6wvodpt.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-19 17:00 ` Andy Piper
2002-04-20 11:03 ` Terje Bless
2002-04-20 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <200204201727.g3KHRTg01417@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-21 2:06 ` Brady Montz
[not found] ` <m2wuv1yfdj.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-21 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-21 7:35 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-21 15:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <87vgal3w79.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-04-21 17:17 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-21 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <m2d6wtx97q.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-21 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22 2:58 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <87vgak30cw.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-04-22 16:54 ` Brady Montz
[not found] ` <m2elh7wu6m.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-22 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <7263-Mon22Apr2002224014+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-22 20:46 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-23 4:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87bscbysbm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-04-23 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 16:21 ` Brady Montz
[not found] ` <m2r8l6v108.fsf@sandman.balestra.org>
2002-04-23 17:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <878z7euysa.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-04-23 18:20 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-23 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <7263-Tue23Apr2002222135+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-23 19:56 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-23 23:00 ` Michael Toomim
2002-04-24 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <2950-Sun21Apr2002220958+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>
2002-04-22 16:56 ` Brady Montz
2002-04-21 9:01 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-21 20:21 ` Simon Josefsson
[not found] ` <ilusn5o950a.fsf@extundo.com>
2002-04-22 8:50 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-22 9:00 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <buoy9fg85ve.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-04-22 10:44 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-22 11:12 ` Simon Josefsson
[not found] ` <rjk7r0ovw9.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-04-22 12:36 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 22:36 ` Richard Stallman
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