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From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.org>
Cc: "xenodasein--- viaEmacs development discussions."
	<emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:02:16 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <NGmMiyd--3-9@tutanota.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m25yfik7zh.fsf@newartisans.com>

Nov 13, 2022, 18:46 by johnw@gnu.org:

>>>>>> "Edd" == Emacs development discussions <xenodasein---> writes:
>>>>>>
>
> Edd> How integrated is it with custom, package, etc?
>
> This is exactly the kind of thinking I was hoping for in suggestion the move
> to core. Yes, yes and yes! Integration, documentation, the ability for users
> to resolve their own issues (for example, making macro expansion easier to do
> for use-package), these do need more thought and care.
>
> -- 
> John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
> http://newartisans.com>                           60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
>

Using package.el and custom through their interfaces currently provides
the Emacs soft-entry into using packages from outside, use-package
provides yet another alternative in between them and manually doing
everything.  My understanding is that most people would actually prefer
solving this without tinkering in init.el but they find custom interface
inadequate so they go for the next alternative which is use-package.
I think we can bridge that gap somehow.  OTOH, use-package also works
great for people who'd like to set things through code, like how JW
uses it in their config on GH; for that way of doing things it is in much
better shape IMO, stable if you will.

Eli:
You said this can be fixed, of course but wouldn't it be much
easier to do without fighting backwards compatibility issues of
core code?




  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-13 16:11 Adding use-package to core xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 17:53   ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:45       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:05 ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found] ` <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org-NGltIw7----9>
2022-11-13 18:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:22     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 19:19       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 20:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:46     ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 19:02       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2022-11-13 19:48         ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 22:03           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-13 22:45             ` North Year
2022-11-13 23:13             ` Matthew Carter
2022-11-14  8:10               ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-14  4:17             ` Tim Cross
2022-11-14  6:02             ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 20:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 10:32           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 13:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14  0:27 ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 10:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 10:47     ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 11:52       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 12:19         ` Po Lu
2022-11-15 15:39           ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-14 13:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 14:47           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 17:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-15 15:38               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-15 16:24                 ` Configuration helpers (wad: Adding use-package to core) Stefan Monnier
2022-11-15 19:22                 ` Adding use-package to core Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 19:29   ` Sean Whitton
2022-11-18 19:33     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-18 19:48       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-18 19:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 20:43       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  7:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19  7:33           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  8:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 10:09               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 10:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 11:02                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 11:15                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-19 11:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 12:15                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 15:28               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 15:36                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 15:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 15:26           ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-18  0:32 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 15:29 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 16:04 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 17:01   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 19:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  0:33       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  6:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:17           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  7:24             ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-17 16:18               ` John Wiegley
2022-11-17  7:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:58               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 14:18 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 19:35 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-16  8:28 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16  9:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 11:55 Payas Relekar
2022-11-13 17:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 17:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 18:05   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:42     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:24 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  7:14 Payas Relekar
2022-10-25 12:06 [ELPA] New package: use-package Payas Relekar
     [not found] ` <877d0kbkfm.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <jwv8rl0nmb1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <875yg4144y.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <jwvczablieq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <87h6zmj451.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <5EE58F68-8B9E-4DE6-BA20-3A88FFDA6528@posteo.net>
     [not found]             ` <jwvh6zmit8b.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <871qqkjwjj.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <jwvr0ykw2ac.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2022-11-03 16:42                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 16:57                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03 16:59                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 17:15                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 18:24                           ` John Wiegley
2022-11-04 22:03                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:06                               ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  8:33                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:45                                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  9:37                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 10:13                                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12  5:42                                         ` Adding use-package to core Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12  7:25                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 10:17                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 14:04                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:38                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 15:46                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:53                                                     ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12 16:33                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  4:43                                                       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  5:25                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13  7:07                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  7:31                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 14:09                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 15:22                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 15:42                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-15 17:25                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16  4:17                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16  7:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic

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