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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 spwhitton@spwhitton.name, luangruo@yahoo.com,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org,  xenodasein@tutanota.de
Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:36:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v8nbklc7.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy1s76k31.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:28:56 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> packages in a release (which should include the solution for how to
>> upgrade such packages after the released Emacs is installed on the
>> user's machine),
>
> FWIW, this has been a solved problem already in Emacs-24: package.el has
> always been able to handle the presence of both system-wide packages and
> user-installed packages and to pick the most recent version.

This is what has been confusing me about Eli's comments.  Debian does
this all the time, there are a great number of packages that can be
installed on a system-wide basis:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ apt search elpa-

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

Sorting...
Full Text Search...
elpa-a/testing 1.0.0-2 all
  functions for dealing with associative structures

elpa-ac-rtags/testing 2.38-6 all
  auto-complete back-end for RTags

elpa-ace-link/testing 0.5.0-3 all
  selecting a link to jump to

elpa-ace-popup-menu/testing 0.2.1-3 all
  replace GUI popup menu with something more efficient

elpa-ace-window/testing 0.10.0-1 all
  selecting a window to switch to
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

That is also why, in my eyes the issue is reduced to the matter of
deciding if the selected ELPA packages are bundled in Git (e.g. as
worktrees) or when the tarballs are generated (that distributions use to
build their packages).

But I am not done with reading through the archives, so I might just be
repeating stuff pointlessly.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-19 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-13 16:11 Adding use-package to core xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 17:53   ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:45       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:05 ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found] ` <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org-NGltIw7----9>
2022-11-13 18:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:22     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 19:19       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 20:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:46     ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 19:02       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 19:48         ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 22:03           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-13 22:45             ` North Year
2022-11-13 23:13             ` Matthew Carter
2022-11-14  8:10               ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-14  4:17             ` Tim Cross
2022-11-14  6:02             ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 20:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 10:32           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 13:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14  0:27 ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 10:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 10:47     ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 11:52       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 12:19         ` Po Lu
2022-11-15 15:39           ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-14 13:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 14:47           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 17:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-15 15:38               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-15 16:24                 ` Configuration helpers (wad: Adding use-package to core) Stefan Monnier
2022-11-15 19:22                 ` Adding use-package to core Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 19:29   ` Sean Whitton
2022-11-18 19:33     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-18 19:48       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-18 19:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 20:43       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  7:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19  7:33           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  8:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 10:09               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 10:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 11:02                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 11:15                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-19 11:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 12:15                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 15:28               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 15:36                 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-11-19 15:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 15:26           ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-18  0:32 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 15:29 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 16:04 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 17:01   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 19:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  0:33       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  6:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:17           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  7:24             ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-17 16:18               ` John Wiegley
2022-11-17  7:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:58               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 14:18 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 19:35 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-16  8:28 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16  9:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 11:55 Payas Relekar
2022-11-13 17:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 17:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 18:05   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:42     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:24 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  7:14 Payas Relekar
2022-10-25 12:06 [ELPA] New package: use-package Payas Relekar
     [not found] ` <877d0kbkfm.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <jwv8rl0nmb1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <875yg4144y.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <jwvczablieq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <87h6zmj451.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <5EE58F68-8B9E-4DE6-BA20-3A88FFDA6528@posteo.net>
     [not found]             ` <jwvh6zmit8b.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <871qqkjwjj.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <jwvr0ykw2ac.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2022-11-03 16:42                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 16:57                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03 16:59                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 17:15                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 18:24                           ` John Wiegley
2022-11-04 22:03                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:06                               ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  8:33                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:45                                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  9:37                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 10:13                                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12  5:42                                         ` Adding use-package to core Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12  7:25                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 10:17                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 14:04                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:38                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 15:46                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:53                                                     ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12 16:33                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  4:43                                                       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  5:25                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13  7:07                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  7:31                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 14:09                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 15:22                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 15:42                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-15 17:25                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16  4:17                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16  7:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic

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