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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
To: xenodasein@tutanota.de, eliz@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:05:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkm=wyBeNusFEW1b54p6mF_XZk2oaVhno5iypV15iHRX8dQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <NGlkkA1--F-9@tutanota.de>

xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
writes:

> I hope you will reconsider this approach of adding everything to core
> at some point.

Historically, yes, everything was added to core.  Not so much in the
last decade or so: what I see is that we are gradually working towards
reducing our scope, and moving inessential things out (see the
lisp/obsolete directory).  I think this is a good thing, and we should
continue that work.

The new things that do get added tend to be key features and libraries
where it *really* makes sense to have them in core.  We must provide
some minimal set of features by default if Emacs is to be useful to
anyone, so this is also a good thing.

But my argument was not about this.  The idea was that keeping
use-package external might make it easier for us to leverage the
community that already exists around that package (see the 150+ issues
in the tracker, open pull requests, etc.).

On the other hand, moving it to core might entice parts of that existing
community to engage with core development.  That would also be a good
thing.

So, at the end of the day, I'm sure we'll be fine either way.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-13 16:11 Adding use-package to core xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 17:53   ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:45       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 18:05 ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
     [not found] ` <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org-NGltIw7----9>
2022-11-13 18:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:22     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 19:19       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 20:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 18:46     ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 19:02       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 19:48         ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 22:03           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-13 22:45             ` North Year
2022-11-13 23:13             ` Matthew Carter
2022-11-14  8:10               ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-14  4:17             ` Tim Cross
2022-11-14  6:02             ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13 20:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 10:32           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 13:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14  0:27 ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 10:12   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 10:47     ` Po Lu
2022-11-14 11:52       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 12:19         ` Po Lu
2022-11-15 15:39           ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-14 13:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-14 14:47           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-14 17:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-15 15:38               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-15 16:24                 ` Configuration helpers (wad: Adding use-package to core) Stefan Monnier
2022-11-15 19:22                 ` Adding use-package to core Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 19:29   ` Sean Whitton
2022-11-18 19:33     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-18 19:48       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-18 19:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-18 20:43       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  7:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19  7:33           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  8:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 10:09               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 10:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 11:02                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 11:15                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-19 11:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 12:15                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 15:28               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 15:36                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 15:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 15:26           ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-18  0:32 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 15:29 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 16:04 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 17:01   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 19:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  0:33       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  6:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:17           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-17  7:24             ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-17 16:18               ` John Wiegley
2022-11-17  7:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-17  7:58               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 14:18 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 19:35 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-16  8:28 Payas Relekar
2022-11-16  9:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 11:55 Payas Relekar
2022-11-13 17:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 17:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 18:05   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 18:42     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-11-13 18:24 ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  7:14 Payas Relekar
2022-10-25 12:06 [ELPA] New package: use-package Payas Relekar
     [not found] ` <877d0kbkfm.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <jwv8rl0nmb1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <875yg4144y.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <jwvczablieq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <87h6zmj451.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <5EE58F68-8B9E-4DE6-BA20-3A88FFDA6528@posteo.net>
     [not found]             ` <jwvh6zmit8b.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <871qqkjwjj.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <jwvr0ykw2ac.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2022-11-03 16:42                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 16:57                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03 16:59                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-03 17:15                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 18:24                           ` John Wiegley
2022-11-04 22:03                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:06                               ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  8:33                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  8:45                                   ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-05  9:37                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 10:13                                       ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12  5:42                                         ` Adding use-package to core Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12  7:25                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 10:17                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 14:04                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:38                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-12 15:46                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 15:53                                                     ` Payas Relekar
2022-11-12 16:33                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  4:43                                                       ` John Wiegley
2022-11-13  5:25                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13  7:07                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  7:31                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-13 14:09                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 15:22                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 15:42                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-15 17:25                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16  4:17                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16  7:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic

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