From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:22:47 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MsP5IMz--B-2@tutanota.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B8CA7B69-DD78-47C2-AE08-3154A0BEEE38@gmail.com>
Jan 2, 2022, 12:07 by casouri@gmail.com:
> Maybe that’s true for some users. I had my fair share of struggle and confusion with custom when I started using Emacs. IME a few lines of setq, global-set-key and xxx-mode are simpler and more predicable than custom. Neither of us has surveyed enough number of new Emacs users, so I don’t think we can make definitive claims. For example, I don’t think it is unacceptable to expect a user to understand what does setq, global-set-key or xxx-mode means.
> ...
> It is hard for the user to find them. Plus other problems with custom and Customize described above that you don’t seem to mind. Aren’t they confusing for even a not-so-new user? They surely confused and annoyed me for a long time back then.
>
> Yuan
>
1+
This has also been my experience when starting out and for some others I know.
In theory Custom system should have made things easier, but it didn't.
Later on when I understood Elisp better, I had some ideas as to why. Basically
Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to understand, and it
does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it especially does not play well
with configuring things from init.el file. Until it is more polished, I would be
hesitant to recommended it to newcomers, over doing a couple of setq's.
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2022-01-02 2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 3:02 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 3:22 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 5:51 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 6:30 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 7:58 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 9:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 9:22 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
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2022-01-02 11:02 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
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2022-01-02 11:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51 ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
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2022-01-02 21:29 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 6:42 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 7:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 8:19 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 9:27 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 10:10 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 10:53 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 11:25 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 12:13 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 12:32 ` Po Lu
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2022-01-03 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 5:28 ` tomas
2022-01-05 7:43 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 8:13 ` tomas
2022-01-07 10:34 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 1:50 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 2:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 4:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 4:30 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 6:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05 0:58 ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06 6:32 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 0:42 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 9:41 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07 10:50 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11 4:47 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-11 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 17:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 0:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 0:59 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 1:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 9:12 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23 ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03 8:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09 ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 9:58 ` Jean Louis
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