From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Nan JunJie <nanjunjie@139.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 19:45:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735m35lp4.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mtkbfpo1.fsf@139.com> (Nan JunJie's message of "Wed, 05 Jan 2022 00:09:50 +0800")
Nan JunJie <nanjunjie@139.com> writes:
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> nanjunjie@139.com writes:
>>
>>> For me an emacs user, `customize` itself is a setup wizard, it does not
>>> need another setup wizard to customize the customization. Or once the setup
>>> wizard came out, we need to figure out how to customize the setup
>>> wizard, and we would enter an endless loop.
>>
>> I disagree, the setup wizard could be seen as a "tour" of customizable
>> options, consciously designed to guide the user into the relevant
>> options that are worth paying attention to.
>>
>
> Customization may not need a `tour` like this. Usually customization
> actions occur at the very beginning.
What do you mean by "the very beginning"? My point was just to say that
if a setup wizard would be generalised, the infrastructure could be
generalised to other package, but also Emacs releases (you download a
new version of Emacs and want an interactive guide of what you might be
interested in changing).
> So early that `setup wizard` has no
> chance to guide the beginners anything. Once the beginners gained enough
> abilities to accept the guidence and start the "tour" for customizable
> options, they already knew what the customization is, even how it works,
> so do not need the `tour`:) Maybe I am wrong. Too long time, I can't
> remember exactly when and how I got the key point of customizations as
> an emacs beginner.
I agree that if you are a total beginner, just listing user options that
exist 1:1 wouldn't be that productive. A wizard must be able to
abstract and bundle multiple options, not just skip from one
customize-option buffer to the next.
--
Philip Kaludercic
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2022-01-02 2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 3:02 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 3:22 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 5:51 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 6:30 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 7:58 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 9:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 9:22 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <CADs++6jtFBah1hhsuN6T_-kFyjc_pNmmVKA+16vOWa8OctOZLw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-02 11:02 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
[not found] ` <MsPZqa9--3-2@tutanota.de-MsP_1xO----2>
2022-01-02 11:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51 ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 19:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 21:29 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 6:42 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 7:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 8:19 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 9:27 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 9:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:10 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 10:21 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 11:25 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:32 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:13 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:20 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:32 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:44 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:55 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 13:24 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 15:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 5:28 ` tomas
2022-01-05 7:43 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 8:13 ` tomas
2022-01-07 10:34 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 1:50 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 2:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 4:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 4:30 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 6:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05 0:58 ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06 6:32 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 0:42 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 9:41 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07 10:50 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11 4:47 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-11 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 17:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 0:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 0:59 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 1:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 9:12 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23 ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03 8:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09 ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 9:58 ` Jean Louis
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2022-01-02 15:46 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 17:26 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 18:49 ` Stefan Kangas
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