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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:02:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YdgPwol4KK9YpQK0@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com>

* Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> [2022-01-03 22:09]:
> And please don't say they "should" learn Emacs Lisp -- some people may
> find that enjoyable but lack the time, and some others may simply not
> want to at all.  Asking people to learn Emacs Lisp to make future
> customizations is simply unacceptable as part of a setup guide for _new_
> users.

Nobody must or is forced.

However, customizations were suggested for decades and people do learn
Lisp by doing customizations.

Contrary to your opinion, I found it welcome and acceptable.

The Emacs manual talks about Emacs variables and customizations
through variables. That is successful over time.

Who does not want, may use customize options.

Emacs is Emacs. It is not a Notepad.

Vim is Vim, it is not a notepad. 

Customizations of Emacs and many other editors are part of the
program.

What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new
users. New users will not customize it anyway. I do not see any
problem.

-- 
Jean

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-07 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-02  2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  3:02   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  3:22     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  5:51       ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  6:30         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  7:58           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  8:07             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  9:07               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  9:22                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25                         ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]                             ` <CADs++6jtFBah1hhsuN6T_-kFyjc_pNmmVKA+16vOWa8OctOZLw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-02 11:02                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03                                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                 ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]                               ` <MsPZqa9--3-2@tutanota.de-MsP_1xO----2>
2022-01-02 11:57                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43                                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51                                         ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 19:07                                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 21:29                                             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  6:42                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  7:02                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  8:19                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03  9:27                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  9:55                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:10                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 10:21                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:53                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:07                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 11:25                                                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:32                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:13                                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:20                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:32                                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:44                                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:55                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 13:24                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 15:15                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:04                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19                                                     ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  5:28                                                         ` tomas
2022-01-05  7:43                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  8:13                                                             ` tomas
2022-01-07 10:34                                                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03                                                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  1:50                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  2:53                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-04  4:13                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  4:30                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  6:10                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05  0:58                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06  6:32                                                             ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  0:42                                         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02  9:41                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02               ` Jean Louis [this message]
2022-01-07 10:50                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10  4:15                   ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11  4:47                       ` Jean Louis
2022-01-11  4:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02  7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26       ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 17:36         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]         ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  0:45             ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  0:59               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  1:02             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  9:12             ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30                 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23     ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03  8:28       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09         ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07  9:58 ` Jean Louis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-01-02 15:46 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 17:26 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 18:49 ` Stefan Kangas

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