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From: "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: FW: [External] : Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 09:13:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YdVTLproC82Q+Ouk@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488D088225C1F3F0F320216F34B9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

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On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 07:43:55AM +0000, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > @@>>>> Customize should not write to your init file ...
> > > @@>>>> That's a bad Emacs design choice, IMO.
> > > @@>>>> It especially should not be the default behavior.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> +1, FWIW.
> > > > >> Hmm, then where should it write to?
> > > > > IMO, something like
> > > > > (setq custom-file (locate-user-emacs-file "custom-file.el"))
> > > >
> > > > Hmm.  I recently deleted something like that which had been in my init
> > > > for years, because I looked it and couldn't come up with a reason why
> > > > the code should be in a separate file.  It seemed like pointless
> > > > complexity.  Why do you think it's better that way?
> > >
> > > Go to @@.
> > 
> > Where's @@? (genuine question: I don't know
> > what you want to convey with that expression :)
> 
> Sorry, I just meant the first 3 lines of the
> mail.  I then added this for the reason:

Got it, it's up there. Thanks :)

> > > Mixing hand coding and automatic coding in the same
> > > file is error-prone.  It's just asking for trouble.
> > > And it's not needed.
> > 
> > And this is the point where your (respected,
> > mind you) opinion enters the scene. 
> 
> Call it an opinion, if you like.  I don't see it
> as very controversial to think it's a bad idea
> to have (all kinds of) users editing generated
> code, and have a file that includes user code
> along with code edited automatically.

[...]

Sorry, pressed for time right now, so short answer. I do respect your
position, and there's a lot for it -- I just happen to be at a (so
slightly) different place.

Cheers
-- 
t

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-05  8:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-02  2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  3:02   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  3:22     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  5:51       ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  6:30         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  7:58           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  8:07             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  9:07               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  9:22                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25                         ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]                             ` <CADs++6jtFBah1hhsuN6T_-kFyjc_pNmmVKA+16vOWa8OctOZLw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-02 11:02                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03                                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                 ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]                               ` <MsPZqa9--3-2@tutanota.de-MsP_1xO----2>
2022-01-02 11:57                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43                                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51                                         ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 19:07                                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 21:29                                             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  6:42                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  7:02                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  8:19                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03  9:27                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  9:55                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:10                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 10:21                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:53                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:07                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 11:25                                                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:32                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:13                                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:20                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:32                                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:44                                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:55                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 13:24                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 15:15                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:04                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19                                                     ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  5:28                                                         ` tomas
2022-01-05  7:43                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  8:13                                                             ` tomas [this message]
2022-01-07 10:34                                                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03                                                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  1:50                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  2:53                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-04  4:13                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  4:30                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  6:10                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05  0:58                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06  6:32                                                             ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  0:42                                         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02  9:41                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02               ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07 10:50                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10  4:15                   ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11  4:47                       ` Jean Louis
2022-01-11  4:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02  7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26       ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 17:36         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]         ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  0:45             ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  0:59               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  1:02             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  9:12             ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30                 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23     ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03  8:28       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09         ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07  9:58 ` Jean Louis

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