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From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:26:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E42CB421-14C4-425D-97AC-FF6EA5FDFB73@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmGVpYkEi-+G6QSCQLtj=AMHCQvEw0aHSkGLp92VBae7A@mail.gmail.com>



> On Jan 2, 2022, at 7:42 AM, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>> I didn't yet try the package, but IMNSHO it makes the most sense in
>>> core, and in that case it should also be started automatically for new
>>> users, or at least suggested to them upon first invocation.
> 
> +1
> 
>> I’m afraid it would be very hard for everyone to agree on the options
>> provided, the phrasing, etc, etc, if it is to be made official and
>> included in core. I don’t have the energy to fight for it. If someone
>> is feeling courageous, go for it; in the meantime, having it on ELPA
>> is better than having nothing in core.
> 
> IMHO, if we can get your code in shape for core, we can discuss such
> details after it has been merged.  For example, we could start out with
> a very minimal set, and comment out anything that is not trivially
> agreed upon.
> 
> Putting it on GNU ELPA does not move us closer to where we need to be,
> IMHO, because it adds another set of complexities on top of the already
> existing ones with adding it to core.

I don’t have any problem of adding it to core. I’m just pessimistic about how many people are incentivized to push for it and agree on things.

Putting it on ELPA doesn’t stop from working it into core, I think. I don’t want to get into another 1000-thread debate about what is the “minimal set”. Many of the stuff in setup-wizard.el are not easily agreed upon, but removing them IMO decreases the usefulness of setup-wizard. For example, the “wizards’ choice” binding scheme, the option to turn off menu-bar, the recommendation of ivy and company.

Yuan


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-02 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-02  2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  3:02   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  3:22     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  5:51       ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  6:30         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  7:58           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  8:07             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02  9:07               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02  9:22                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02  9:45                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25                         ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]                             ` <CADs++6jtFBah1hhsuN6T_-kFyjc_pNmmVKA+16vOWa8OctOZLw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-02 11:02                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03                                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                 ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]                               ` <MsPZqa9--3-2@tutanota.de-MsP_1xO----2>
2022-01-02 11:57                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43                                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51                                         ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 19:07                                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 21:29                                             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  6:42                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  7:02                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  8:19                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03  9:27                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  9:55                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:10                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 10:21                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:53                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:07                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 11:25                                                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:32                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:13                                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:20                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:32                                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:44                                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:55                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 13:24                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 15:15                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:04                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19                                                     ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28                                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  5:28                                                         ` tomas
2022-01-05  7:43                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  8:13                                                             ` tomas
2022-01-07 10:34                                                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03                                                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  1:50                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  2:53                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-04  4:13                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04  4:30                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04  6:10                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25                                                         ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05  0:58                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06  6:32                                                             ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03  0:42                                         ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09                     ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02  9:41                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02               ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07 10:50                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10  4:15                   ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11  4:47                       ` Jean Louis
2022-01-11  4:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02  7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26       ` Yuan Fu [this message]
2022-01-02 17:36         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]         ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14           ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  0:45             ` Po Lu
2022-01-03  0:59               ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03  1:02             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03  9:12             ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30                 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02  8:07   ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23     ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03  8:28       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09         ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07  9:58 ` Jean Louis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-01-02 15:46 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 17:26 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 18:49 ` Stefan Kangas

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