From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>,
EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:06:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO2hHWbEvx6KPiNBp2jmzz+qQfpQRjfWUK_GAmvu5aRSVF2ytA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y2ee6kmx.fsf@gnu.org>
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 7:05 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > Cc: bugs@gnu.support, larsi@gnus.org, gregory@heytings.org,
> > emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com
> > From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:09:50 +0200
> >
> > Having an alternative, well-considered set of bindings which new user
> > can just toggle on and get comfortable should be valuable.
>
> I doubt that, because we already tried that in CUA mode. That one
> actually was better posed to succeed, since its key bindings weren't
> invented "out of thin air", but use widely accepted conventions.
>
FWIW, over the years, I have seen several people who were very interested
in CUA mode who eventually turned it off due to it working "most but not
all of the time". This experience is pretty old, but internet searches show
similar feedback continuing since then. In practice, it means that users
who might have recommended cua-mode instead anti-recommend it.
When I've looked at it for other people, it seems like an issue that can't
actually be fixed, because the people who care enough to change the
bindings need them to be absolutely %100 reliable, which the time-based
approach isn't. I'm afraid that I can't help more than that -- emacs'
default bindings are far more ingrained for me than the CUA bindings (a
fact that I learned to accept long ago when moving away from emacs' `C-w'
and `C-q').
This is all to say: cua-mode has its own set of problems as an example.
~Chad
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Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-20 9:03 Suggested experimental test Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 11:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-20 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 11:34 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 12:37 ` Proposal to remove C-o binding [was: Suggested experimental test] Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21 6:53 ` Suggested experimental test Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-21 8:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 22:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 22:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 23:13 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 0:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 19:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 19:56 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:26 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-23 8:06 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 11:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 11:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 3:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 11:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-22 12:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 18:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 8:59 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 10:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-21 10:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 10:58 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Sv: " Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 10:24 ` Sv: " Jean Louis
2021-03-22 10:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 12:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 16:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 16:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 18:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:20 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-03-22 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 16:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 18:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 21:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:57 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 22:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 6:39 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:10 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 22:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:33 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 23:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 23:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-23 5:22 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 12:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 21:06 ` chad [this message]
2021-03-24 5:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-25 5:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-23 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-24 23:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 13:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 14:30 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-03-25 17:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 18:59 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 19:30 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 21:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-25 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 10:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-26 23:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-27 0:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-28 13:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 20:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 20:56 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-03-22 18:11 ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 18:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:21 ` chad
2021-03-22 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:02 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-23 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:56 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:19 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:21 ` Bob Rogers
2021-03-24 5:42 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 20:55 ` chad
2021-03-25 17:04 ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:33 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-03-22 18:42 ` Sean Whitton
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2021-03-23 21:51 Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 8:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-24 8:51 ` tomas
2021-03-24 9:16 ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 9:22 ` tomas
2021-03-24 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 11:13 ` tomas
2021-03-24 11:51 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 11:55 ` tomas
2021-03-25 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 17:19 ` tomas
2021-03-24 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-24 20:08 ` tomas
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