From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
gregory@heytings.org, pwr@bydasein.com
Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:46:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83blb7k74x.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1lPIKL-0006NK-Kw@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:14:37 -0400)
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:14:37 -0400
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, gregory@heytings.org, pwr@bydasein.com,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> > "A lot"? Aren't we exaggerating a bit? This thread amassed more than 150 messages; how many of them can be qualified as "ungood karma"?
>
> Instead of disputing who is more wrong, how about if we simply try to
> make the discussion kind from now on?
I generally find abstract calls to behave kindly not effective enough.
First, it is unclear who was unkind, or why some utterance/behavior is
unkind, or how to behave differently to make it less so. If someone
indeed intended to be unkind, then the answer is clear at least to
that person. But that is rarely the case; it certainly isn't so in
this last episode.
Therefore, I find that discussing this a bit is indeed beneficial, as
it lets people think more about possible misinterpretations of their
words, and maybe choose better ones next time; and it also tells those
on the receiving end to be more tolerant to what could well be an
innocent joke or even just a misunderstanding, due to language and
cultural nuances.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-25 7:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-23 21:51 Suggested experimental test Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 8:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-24 8:51 ` tomas
2021-03-24 9:16 ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 9:22 ` tomas
2021-03-24 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 11:13 ` tomas
2021-03-24 11:51 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 11:55 ` tomas
2021-03-24 15:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-25 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 17:19 ` tomas
2021-03-24 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-24 20:08 ` tomas
2021-03-25 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-25 5:48 ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-25 7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-03-20 9:03 Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 11:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-20 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 11:34 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 6:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-21 8:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 22:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 22:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 23:13 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 0:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 19:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 21:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 11:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 11:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 3:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 11:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-22 12:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 18:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 8:59 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 10:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-21 10:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 10:58 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Sv: " Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 10:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 12:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 16:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 16:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 18:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:20 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-03-22 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 16:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 18:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 21:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:57 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 22:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 6:39 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:10 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 22:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 23:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-23 5:22 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 12:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 21:06 ` chad
2021-03-24 5:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-25 5:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-23 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-24 23:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 13:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 14:30 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-03-25 17:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 18:59 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 19:30 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 21:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-25 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 10:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-26 23:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-27 0:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-28 13:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 20:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 20:56 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-03-22 18:11 ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 18:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:21 ` chad
2021-03-22 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-23 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:21 ` Bob Rogers
2021-03-24 5:42 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 20:55 ` chad
2021-03-22 20:33 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-03-22 18:42 ` Sean Whitton
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