From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org, gregory@heytings.org,
stefankangas@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:41:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <831rc682js.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tup26om4.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:28:19 +0100)
> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
> Cc: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>, larsi@gnus.org, gregory@heytings.org,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:28:19 +0100
>
> > That just delays the dispute to the point when we want to consider
> > making some of the bindings the default. So it basically may solve a
> > secondary problem -- how to conduct the experiment -- but not the main
> > problem, which is whether and how to change bindings that existed in
> > Emacs since about forever.
>
> Forgive me for asking, maybe I'm missing something, but why should the
> changes be made default?
The context was the discussion of changes in key bindings. If they
are not changed by default, how else can such a change be made?
> Isn't the idea of providing a theme to change the behaviour that users
> can enable or disable them easily, without the defaults having to change?
The theme suggestion was a proposal to conduct an experiment without
interfering with those who want no part in the experiment. But
eventually, the intent is to change the default behavior, because
rebinding any key to any command is already possible, and nothing
prevents users from doing that in their private init files. So having
a non-default theme that makes a bunch of such rebindings makes little
sense to me.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-23 12:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-20 9:03 Suggested experimental test Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 11:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-20 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 11:34 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 12:37 ` Proposal to remove C-o binding [was: Suggested experimental test] Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21 6:53 ` Suggested experimental test Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-21 8:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 22:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 22:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 23:13 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 0:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 19:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 19:56 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:26 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-23 8:06 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 11:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 11:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 3:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 11:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-22 12:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 18:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 18:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 8:59 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-03-22 10:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 10:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-21 10:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 10:58 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-03-21 13:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16 ` Sv: " Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 10:24 ` Sv: " Jean Louis
2021-03-22 10:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 12:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 16:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 16:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 18:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:20 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-03-22 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 16:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 18:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 21:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:57 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 22:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 6:39 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 6:10 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 22:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:33 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 23:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 23:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-23 5:22 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 12:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-03-23 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 21:06 ` chad
2021-03-24 5:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-25 5:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-23 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-24 23:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 6:12 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 13:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 14:30 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-03-25 17:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 18:59 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 19:30 ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 21:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-25 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 10:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-26 23:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-27 0:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-28 13:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 20:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 20:56 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-03-22 18:11 ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 18:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:21 ` chad
2021-03-22 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:02 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-23 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:56 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:19 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:21 ` Bob Rogers
2021-03-24 5:42 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 20:55 ` chad
2021-03-25 17:04 ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:33 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-03-22 18:42 ` Sean Whitton
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2021-03-24 9:22 ` tomas
2021-03-24 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 11:13 ` tomas
2021-03-24 11:51 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 11:55 ` tomas
2021-03-25 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 17:19 ` tomas
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