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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: encode-time vs decode-time
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:39:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mugfz2zc.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pnlhav7t.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:47:18 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Actually, while I agree that it's possible it will break something
>> somewhere, it's rather unlikely.
>
> I think our record of making such predictions is rather poor.
>
> And anyway, suppose someone comes up with complaints about this
> change: what exactly do we say in response?  The reason for the change
> is quite weak: it's basically an enhancement required by somewhat rare
> niche use cases.  How can we justify breaking someone's code on such
> weak grounds?

Having sub-second time resolution in calendar dates doesn't seem like a
minor thing to me.  I think if you say "now Emacs is ISO8601 compliant",
then it's all the justification anybody could possibly need.

I also think this is probably less likely to break anybody's code than
when Emacs changed the output from `current-time' from being a list of
two integers to four integers.

The only possible real world problem I can see being slightly likely is
somebody writing the output of `decode-time' to a file, and then reading
it back in again.  If the writer is a new Emacs, and the reader is an
old Emacs (that calls `encode-time' on the data), then things will
probably break.

But I don't know of anybody doing stuff like that.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-11 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-29  9:48 Support for sub-second time in decoded time Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-07-29 14:12   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 14:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-07-29 15:00       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 17:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-07-30 11:33           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 16:08     ` encode-time vs decode-time Stefan Monnier
2019-07-30 10:32       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-30 11:34         ` Andy Moreton
2019-07-30 11:37           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-30 17:54             ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-30 22:50               ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-31 19:03               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-31 19:31                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-06  1:48                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-06 14:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-06 15:59                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-06 18:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-07  1:02                         ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-07  2:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-07 14:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-11 23:39                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2019-08-17  6:47                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-07 11:33                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-17  7:54                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-17  8:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-17  9:33                                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-17 20:46                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-17 20:56                                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-17 21:42                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-17 22:53                                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-19 21:12                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-21 10:55                                         ` Adam Porter
2019-08-21 20:20                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-26 10:59                                             ` Adam Porter
2019-08-26 21:35                                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-07 14:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-07 11:41                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-17  9:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-08-17 20:51                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 14:23 ` Support for sub-second time in decoded time Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-29 14:59   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-29 16:46 ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-30 11:43   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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