From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: package.el + DVCS for security and convenience
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:22:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bodg7v1t.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 874njbuen3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:03:28 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
SJT> The GPG documentation is full of warnings about doing it yourself, and
SJT> recommends using the GUI or the command-line interface. ISTR at one
SJT> time they didn't even provide libraries (do they now?) for that reason.
SJT> I'm sure we've all seen some of the horror stories of what sometimes
SJT> happens to competent programmers who implement the protocols
SJT> themselves on RISKS (not to mention really terrifying stories like
SJT> "The 16,384 Keys of Debian"). Remember, as soon as Emacs distributes
SJT> something, hordes of users are potential users of the feature. That
SJT> may make it an attractive target for an attack. Anything built in to
SJT> Emacs needs to be *strong*. Is it worth that much effort?
The same logic applies to using GnuTLS inside Emacs vs. gnutls-cli
externally. I don't buy either argument. Emacs is a platform and must
make intelligent choices to protect the security of its users.
Depending on external binaries has always been a security issue that
shifts the burden to the user and the system administrator.
(Also see my earlier suggestions about providing secure data storage at
the C level, so Emacs is not as vulnerable to core dumps to find user
passwords and other secrets. There are many areas to improve.)
The OpenPGP protocol is described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880
and thus fairly standard. Verifying a signature, in particular, does
not require implementing the full protocol, and that's one of the
reasons I suggested it:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-2.5
SJT> Why not just start with the relatively easy optional verification of
SJT> signed files based on an installed OpenPG tool, and add pluggable
SJT> verification modules as people have interest?
I also think that's a good approach, as long as we keep the long-term
goals above in mind.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-26 14:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-12-09 14:41 ELPA security George Kadianakis
2012-12-09 21:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2012-12-21 14:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-21 22:12 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 5:07 ` Bastien
2012-12-22 6:17 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 12:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-22 13:03 ` Bastien
2012-12-22 13:24 ` Bastien
2012-12-22 19:37 ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience (was: ELPA security) Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-24 12:53 ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience Nic Ferrier
2012-12-24 12:55 ` Bastien
2012-12-24 13:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-24 13:39 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-24 16:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-24 17:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-25 1:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-26 14:22 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2012-12-27 3:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-27 8:56 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 11:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 12:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 13:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 16:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 21:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-29 6:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-31 11:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-03 16:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-04 16:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-04 18:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-04 19:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-05 3:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-06 19:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07 2:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07 14:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 1:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 15:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 17:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 18:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 21:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-09 2:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 2:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 14:05 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-01-04 22:21 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 20:06 ` Re:package.el + DVCS for security and convenience (was: ELPA security) Phil Hagelberg
2012-12-31 22:50 ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-22 16:20 ` ELPA security Stefan Monnier
2012-12-26 17:32 ` Paul Nathan
2012-12-31 11:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 12:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 13:39 ` Package signing infrastructure suggestion (was Re: ELPA security) Nic Ferrier
2012-12-31 22:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 23:01 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 19:48 ` ELPA security Tom Tromey
2012-12-31 19:57 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-31 22:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 22:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-05 16:46 ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-06 19:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07 5:32 ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07 5:47 ` Jambunathan K
2013-01-07 5:53 ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07 6:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-01-07 6:20 ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07 7:12 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07 7:18 ` chad
2013-01-07 14:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07 6:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07 14:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07 15:01 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 14:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 17:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 20:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 21:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 23:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-12 18:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 17:59 ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-08 18:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 20:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-16 11:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-16 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-17 1:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-17 7:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-17 15:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-28 15:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-17 14:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-17 7:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-19 5:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-19 12:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-23 11:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-23 16:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-28 15:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 16:28 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-28 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-24 3:44 ` Daiki Ueno
2013-06-28 15:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 16:15 ` Daiki Ueno
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