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From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: Paul Nathan <pnathan.software@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ELPA security
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 11:39:19 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pq1h4j8w.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALXzQZjN+y6c2M5aQ8frTubRYtcTeXQ=eyCM0biDS+tYZ6RFKA@mail.gmail.com> (Paul Nathan's message of "Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:53:30 -0800")

Paul Nathan <pnathan.software@gmail.com> writes:

>> If I am downloading a package from a trustworthy site - "certified"
> by a
>> legal entity - I should be doing good, right.
>
> Jambunathan,
>
> The existing problem statement is that while we (presumably) trust the
> GNU Emacs code, we do not per se trust the other packages in
> existence. How do we know those packages are what the original authors
> created? It is not the best idea from a security standpoint to
> download arbitrary code from the emacs wiki and execute it! 

Thanks for not getting offended and ELI5.  I don't mean to hijack this
thread.

Frankly speaking, I don't rely on Tromey, Marmalade, Emacswiki or
MELPA.  I may consult them but I don't rely on them.

The main problem is not that of security per se.  The main problem is
reliability.  The packages will break, the author wouldn't care about
responding to questions or fixing things, the functionality itself could
be broken in unknown ways etc.

> The ELPA infrastructure now allows pulling extensions from multiple
> non-GNU repositories. I certainly hope no one hacks them! If someone
> does, then a certification mechanism would assist the user in telling
> them that something's gone very wrong. So a signing mechanism allows
> the distributor to certify his/her code as being written by his/ger,
> and you to verify that the distributor certified their code. Whether
> the code itself is any good is a different question, of course - a
> malicious distributor that everyone trusts is a big problem!

I am thinking how many of the existing ELPA repositories will go to the
extent of getting a signature from a legal entity.  Mostly they are
"wannabe-s" or individual efforts.

May be the idea is too ahead for it's time.  I wonder whether another
"serious" distributor like GNU ELPA sprouts forth. 

Is XEmacs a contender here, I don't know.  Stephen T can enlighten us.

> Kind regards,
> Paul
>
>

-- 



  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-07  6:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-09 14:41 ELPA security George Kadianakis
2012-12-09 21:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2012-12-21 14:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-21 22:12   ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22  5:07   ` Bastien
2012-12-22  6:17     ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 12:34       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-22 13:03         ` Bastien
2012-12-22 13:24           ` Bastien
2012-12-22 19:37             ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience (was: ELPA security) Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-24 12:53               ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience Nic Ferrier
2012-12-24 12:55                 ` Bastien
2012-12-24 13:38                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-24 13:39                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-24 16:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-24 17:46                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-25  1:03                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-26 14:22                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-27  3:06                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-27  8:56                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 11:18                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 12:32                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 13:50                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 16:47                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 21:41                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-29  6:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-31 11:22                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-03 16:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-04 16:05                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-04 18:11                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-04 19:06                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-05  3:25                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-06 19:20                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07  2:03                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07 14:47                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08  1:44                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 15:15                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 17:53                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 18:46                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 21:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-09  2:37                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08  2:20                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-08 14:05                                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-01-04 22:21                           ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 20:06               ` Re:package.el + DVCS for security and convenience (was: ELPA security) Phil Hagelberg
2012-12-31 22:50                 ` package.el + DVCS for security and convenience Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-22 16:20   ` ELPA security Stefan Monnier
2012-12-26 17:32     ` Paul Nathan
2012-12-31 11:50       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 12:34         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-31 13:39         ` Package signing infrastructure suggestion (was Re: ELPA security) Nic Ferrier
2012-12-31 22:32           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 23:01             ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-31 19:48         ` ELPA security Tom Tromey
2012-12-31 19:57           ` Drew Adams
2012-12-31 22:19             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-31 22:15           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-05 16:46   ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-06 19:12     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07  5:32       ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07  5:47         ` Jambunathan K
2013-01-07  5:53           ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07  6:09             ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2013-01-07  6:20               ` Paul Nathan
2013-01-07  7:12               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07  7:18               ` chad
2013-01-07 14:34               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07  6:57           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-01-07 14:35           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-07 15:01         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08  3:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 14:47             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 16:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 17:30                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 20:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 21:30                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 22:46                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 23:30                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-12 18:29                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 17:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-08 17:59                 ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-08 18:37                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-01-08 20:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-16 11:18                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-16 23:12                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-17  1:56                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-17  7:23                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-17 15:54                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-28 15:34                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-17 14:34                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-17  7:20                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-19  5:02                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-19 12:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-23 11:58                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-23 16:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-28 15:47                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 16:28                                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-28 22:49                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-24  3:44                               ` Daiki Ueno
2013-06-28 15:32                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 16:15                                   ` Daiki Ueno

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