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From: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: magnars@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:38:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874mw3yh5n.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y4tfzy3j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:46:56 +0900")

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> Nic Ferrier writes:
>
>  > I am torn between a much more open and distributed Emacs (which I
>  > suspect rms won't like)
>
> What's not open or distributed about Emacs?  Maintaining legal
> paperwork is a cost and an inconvenience, but the GPL itself legally
> guarantees openness and in practice Emacs development is highly
> distributed.  ELPA is only going to provide more cases where people
> want to "sign papers", or to gather "papers" from their coauthors.  I
> can't see this as a problem -- Emacs will acquire more copyrights than
> it would have otherwise.

I think Emacs is free, not "open". Slightly different goals, I applaud
both. To me, freedom is, on the whole, more important. Other people
disagree though.


> I suppose it's theoretically possible that the body of unassigned and
> perhaps unassignable Emacs Lisp will grow faster than the body of
> assigned Emacs Lisp, but I doubt it.  Even if it does, most people do
> obey the rules, and the body of free software will increase.

I don't think anything in MELPA is not free. It's certainly not all
GPLed though.

And I think we already have the situation of anti-GPL people
contributing to MELPA.


I've agreed with RMS to require the GPL or compatible for Marmalade.


> The practical problem created by packages is (to some eyes) a blessing
> in disguise.  By enabling convenient separate development and
> distribution of many more Lisp packages than would otherwise exist,
> separate from Emacs core, it "exports" many APIs that would otherwise
> be considered internal.  

And those APIs that most Emacs users may come to rely on (I use the term
"Emacs" when really I mean "most Emacs users") may not be free. Hence
freedom is potentially threatened.

The FSF has the rules it has for a reason.

The openness people don't want those rules because it restricts
"openness".

But when you relax the rules you open yourself to attack.


I'm not trying to be histrionic. I'm just saying it's there.

There are things we could do to battle the potential problem, making it
easier to assign copyright might be one thing.


Nic



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-19 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 600+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11 16:29 Guile emacs thread (again) Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-14 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 14:43 ` Grim Schjetne
2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-09-17 18:24     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-09-17 18:42       ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 19:25       ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-18  2:07       ` Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40         ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 21:54           ` Regular expression creation [was: Re: Emacs Lisp's future] Alexis
2014-09-18 23:37             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-09-19  0:00               ` Alexis
2014-09-19  2:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 10:07                   ` Alexis
2014-09-26 15:25                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-09-19 18:04             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  6:35       ` Emacs Lisp's future Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19           ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  7:18               ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19  8:10             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19  8:46               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  8:43     ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Emilio Lopes
2014-09-16 16:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 16:54   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14     ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58     ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17  5:04     ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10           ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 18:04             ` performance isn't a concern in ... " Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 19:08               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  7:54             ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  2:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18  3:17               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:04                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  9:27                   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  3:46             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:53               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07                     ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44                             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15       ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01           ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18               ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18               ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:00                 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  8:00                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12                       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38                       ` Nic Ferrier [this message]
2014-09-19 18:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53                       ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <<E1XV2UO-0005CA-Vk@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-09-19 18:43                       ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17           ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:03             ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23  7:45               ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50               ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23                 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29  8:33                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30  7:58                     ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18                           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37           ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  2:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19  6:26             ` Adding packages to ELPA (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19  6:47               ` Adding packages to ELPA Rasmus
2014-09-19 13:47                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 16:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:31               ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:29                   ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:26                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 15:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 15:41                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 15:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:03                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 16:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 15:05                                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 20:02                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:00                         ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22  7:53                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-22 14:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22 19:34                                 ` SP? {Spam?} " Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 18:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 18:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 22:49     ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46   ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31   ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00           ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08  8:23       ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15           ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10  9:00             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  1:42               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  7:47                 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12  3:17                 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17  0:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10  4:09           ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10  4:51             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56               ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11  4:06                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11  4:18                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11  7:16                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54                         ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55                             ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 17:08                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-10 15:26             ` raman
2016-10-07 15:32     ` Kelvin White
2016-10-07 16:18     ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-07 16:25       ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08  2:09       ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03       ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10  2:59           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10  7:17             ` Concurrency, again (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 15:42               ` Concurrency, again Paul Eggert
2016-10-12 12:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 15:24                 ` raman
2016-10-12 16:42                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 17:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 18:01                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 19:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 19:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 20:59                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 21:20                           ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-12 21:33                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 22:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 23:33                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13  5:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:27                                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-13 15:05                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-13 17:25                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 18:14                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 21:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-14 21:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-15  1:24                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  5:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 22:03                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-16  0:38                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-16  6:40                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17  0:43                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-17  6:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:34                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 22:28                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-10-13 19:34                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-13 19:49                                         ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 15:26                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-14 15:47                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-14 16:57                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-15  7:16                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-17 14:13                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-17 18:33                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-17 18:41                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 17:01                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-17 14:53                                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:07                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 16:34                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 17:53                                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:06                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18  3:27                                                   ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 14:34                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 14:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 15:05                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:36                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:26                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:15                                                       ` joakim
2016-10-18 16:20                                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 18:37                                                       ` Browsers inside Emacs (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:19                                                 ` Concurrency, again Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:47                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 19:47                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 20:29                                               ` Web browsing (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 19:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:44                                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19  8:52                                               ` Concurrency, again Ricardo Wurmus
2016-10-19 13:07                                                 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 20:02                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:38                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20  7:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 15:15                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 15:42                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 22:22                                                             ` Cairo bugs (was Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21  7:31                                                             ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-21 19:43                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23  6:23                                                                 ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23  9:39                                                                   ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23 10:26                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-20 18:15                                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-20 18:41                                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 20:56                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  1:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 19:24                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 20:33                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  6:53                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 12:39                                                                 ` Tookits (was Re: Emacs as browser) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21 12:57                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 13:45                                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                       ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 18:30                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:57                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-21  1:45                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-21  3:09                                                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-25 13:30                                     ` Concurrency, again Philipp Stephani
2016-10-12 21:24                           ` joakim
2016-10-12 18:19                   ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  4:45                     ` SAKURAI Masashi
2016-10-17 15:29                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-18  3:14                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-18  6:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18  7:58                       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18  9:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:08                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 10:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 10:18                               ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-19 11:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  6:08                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20  7:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  7:12                                 ` Herring, Davis
2016-10-20  7:55                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20 16:22                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-18 10:46                         ` Alan Third
2016-10-19  7:02                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 14:04                         ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-25 13:27                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 16:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 16:45                       ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 16:48                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 17:04                           ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-25 18:43                             ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 21:44                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 23:28                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-27 17:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 19:13                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 20:55                                       ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-10-27 21:50                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28  7:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31  6:42                                   ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-26 14:03                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 17:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:22               ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 14:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 14:41                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-26 13:50                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 14:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-26 14:39                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-25 16:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 15:24             ` Emacs Lisp's future raman
2016-10-09 12:43         ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-09 13:13           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 19:29 ` Guile emacs thread (again) Lluís
2014-09-17 19:34   ` Lally Singh
2014-09-18 12:23 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-19  1:15   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-20 13:20   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 15:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 13:35       ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 16:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 17:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-17  7:38 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Kristian Nygaard Jensen
2014-09-17 15:15 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:15   ` James Cloos
2014-09-17 17:53     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 21:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18  1:09         ` James Cloos
2014-09-18  7:12         ` Helmut Eller
2014-09-18  7:46         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-18 18:59       ` Johan Bockgård
2014-09-18 21:01       ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19  0:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:24           ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-26 13:43 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-26 14:15   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-26 14:45     ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-09-26 15:05       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27  8:44         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27  8:59           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:30             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-26 15:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-26 15:21         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27  8:35         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27  8:49           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27  9:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 10:37             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 11:13               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 12:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 14:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 14:24                     ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 15:41                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:57                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 16:25                             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 17:23                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-28 23:22                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-29  1:33                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 20:48                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-05  7:53                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05  9:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 10:43                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 11:10                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 11:56                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 14:30                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 15:48                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 18:29                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 21:49                                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                       ` <"<83lhotme1e.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-06  3:18                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 19:15                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07  0:46                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:04                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 15:43                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:01                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:15                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:16                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 10:09                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-10-06  6:21                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 15:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 15:33                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 16:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:40                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:04                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:34                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07  0:33                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:37                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:27                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 16:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:31                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:58                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07  2:35                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:43                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:53                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07  0:35                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:16                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:33                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:42                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:03                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:16                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:24                                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:31                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:52                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 17:38                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-08  0:47                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08  7:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08  7:37                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 18:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-06 23:00                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07  1:04                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-07 14:03                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:04                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:14                                                 ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                                   ` <"<83y4srjaot.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-07 15:15                                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 15:31                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:40                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:32                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 18:41                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:34                                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 17:50                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:36                                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 18:56                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 19:21                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 23:11                                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08  3:03                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-08 15:03                                                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08 15:11                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 15:54                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09  3:26                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09  4:14                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09  7:31                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09  8:05                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-11 18:50                                                                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-07 16:59                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08  0:47                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08  7:13                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09  1:19                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09  7:21                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09  7:52                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09  8:41                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09  9:22                                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  3:04                                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13  7:41                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:28                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11  1:15                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11  7:18                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12  3:22                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11  7:18                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 23:51                                                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-12  1:35                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12  8:38                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 12:16                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 12:34                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 14:49                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 16:50                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  2:40                                                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13  4:49                                                                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13  3:08                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  4:50                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13  3:41                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12  5:37                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12  3:24                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12  5:47                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13  3:07                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  3:38                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11  1:17                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11  7:23                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-11  7:33                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12  3:22                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12  5:22                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  3:09                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  3:44                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  7:59                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  8:32                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13  9:20                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12  5:44                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                             ` <<83r3yg9bpu.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-10-10 16:02                                                               ` Drew Adams
2014-10-10 16:10                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09  7:36                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:25                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-06 19:17                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 19:59                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07  0:10                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 14:04                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 18:34                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-05 21:49                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06  3:34                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08  0:48                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08  2:09                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08  3:07                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09  3:06                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09  3:44                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09  7:16                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09  7:47                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:20                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-10 14:23                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09  1:19                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09  3:56                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09  4:49                                                 ` Mike Gerwitz
2014-10-09  8:00                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:50                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 11:06                                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 17:23                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 17:37                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12  3:24                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12  5:54                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13  3:10                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  5:35                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13  6:02                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13  8:24                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13  8:58                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  9:45                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 10:17                                                                             ` Uwe Brauer
2014-10-13 10:30                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13  9:05                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 10:05                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 14:55                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-13 17:18                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 17:24                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 17:49                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 18:04                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 19:19                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14  7:03                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14  7:41                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14  7:58                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 10:06                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14  8:34                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14  9:21                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 20:03                                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15  3:07                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15  5:54                                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15  7:17                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15  9:20                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 11:34                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 11:57                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 12:32                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 13:22                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 14:36                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:51                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 16:57                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 17:18                                                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 18:39                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14  2:11                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  5:43                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14  2:09                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-14  6:24                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14  7:48                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 13:16                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-15 14:32                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:43                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-10-16 18:12                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13  3:46                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 11:27                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-10 14:23                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:23                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 20:41                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-10 21:56                                         ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-10-10 22:56                                           ` Drew Adams
2014-10-11  1:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-27 17:04                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-27 19:33                       ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-28  7:17                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:34                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-29 13:17             ` K. Handa
2014-09-17  2:57 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-17 11:01 ` Tom
2014-09-17 12:28   ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 12:58     ` Tom
2014-09-17 13:39       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-09-17 14:15         ` Tom
2014-09-17 11:43 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 14:21   ` Lally Singh
2014-09-17 15:04     ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
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