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From: Lluís <xscript@gmx.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Guile emacs thread (again)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:29:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjdyf3lo.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:29:09 -0500")

Christopher Allan Webber writes:
[...]
> I found it very inspiring.  It seems those things are fairly close.

> So this email is partly a:
>  - What now?  What's the chance of work towards guilemacs moving over to
>    an official emacs git branch, and that port happening, anytime soon?
>  - Is anyone running it?  How's it going for you?

I just read the thread, and many different and entwined points have been raised,
which I think make the discussion harder to follow. Thus I would like to
summarize the issues I've read regarding Guile (feel free to reply with any
points you think I've missed or misinterpreted):

* Manpower / responsiveness

  There's not much to say here. Whatever layers Emacs decides to use (if any),
  there should be an appropriate response delay to handle issues.

* Direction / design

  There could be design decisions conflicting between Emacs' and Guile's
  desires. Such issues can only be resolved through mutual and good-hearted
  understanding.

* Multi-language support

  As someone said, using Guile does not necessarily mean exposing all these
  languages in Emacs (i.e., just use Guile's lower-level compiler/VM layers).

* Development model / organization

  It has been argued that Guile's development model does not give enough
  stability assurances. I'm sure that's something that can be easily fixed if
  Guile's developers slightly change their workflow to maintain a more stable
  branch that Emacs (and other projects) can use.

* It's a GNU project

  If that really counts for any purpose.


Thus I would say that the only critical point here is the first one
(manpower/responsiveness). To some extent, the second point could be a problem
too (direction/design), but targeting Emacs to the lower-level layers of Guile
could limit the impact of this factor.


Thanks,
  Lluis

-- 
 "And it's much the same thing with knowledge, for whenever you learn
 something new, the whole world becomes that much richer."
 -- The Princess of Pure Reason, as told by Norton Juster in The Phantom
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-17 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 350+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11 16:29 Guile emacs thread (again) Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-14 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 14:43 ` Grim Schjetne
2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-09-17 18:24     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-09-17 18:42       ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 19:25       ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-18  2:07       ` Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40         ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 21:54           ` Regular expression creation [was: Re: Emacs Lisp's future] Alexis
2014-09-18 23:37             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-09-19  0:00               ` Alexis
2014-09-19  2:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 10:07                   ` Alexis
2014-09-26 15:25                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-09-19 18:04             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  6:35       ` Emacs Lisp's future Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19           ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  7:18               ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19  8:10             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19  8:46               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  8:43     ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Emilio Lopes
2014-09-16 16:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 16:54   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14     ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58     ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17  5:04     ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10           ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 18:04             ` performance isn't a concern in ... " Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 19:08               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  7:54             ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  2:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18  3:17               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:04                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  9:27                   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  3:46             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:53               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07                     ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44                             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15       ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01           ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18               ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18               ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:00                 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  8:00                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12                       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 18:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53                       ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <<E1XV2UO-0005CA-Vk@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-09-19 18:43                       ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17           ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:03             ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23  7:45               ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50               ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23                 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29  8:33                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30  7:58                     ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18                           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37           ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  2:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19  6:26             ` Adding packages to ELPA (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19  6:47               ` Adding packages to ELPA Rasmus
2014-09-19 13:47                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 16:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:31               ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:29                   ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:26                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 15:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 15:41                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 15:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:03                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 16:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 15:05                                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 20:02                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:00                         ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22  7:53                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-22 14:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22 19:34                                 ` SP? {Spam?} " Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 18:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 18:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 22:49     ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46   ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31   ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00           ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08  8:23       ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15           ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10  9:00             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  1:42               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  7:47                 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12  3:17                 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17  0:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10  4:09           ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10  4:51             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56               ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11  4:06                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11  4:18                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11  7:16                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54                         ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55                             ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 17:08                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-10 15:26             ` raman
2016-10-07 15:32     ` Kelvin White
2016-10-07 16:18     ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-07 16:25       ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08  2:09       ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03       ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10  2:59           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10  7:17             ` Concurrency, again (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 15:42               ` Concurrency, again Paul Eggert
2016-10-12 12:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 15:24                 ` raman
2016-10-12 16:42                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 17:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 18:01                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 19:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 19:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 20:59                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 21:20                           ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-12 21:33                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 22:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 23:33                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13  5:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:27                                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-13 15:05                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-13 17:25                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 18:14                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 21:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-14 21:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-15  1:24                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  5:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 22:03                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-16  0:38                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-16  6:40                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17  0:43                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-17  6:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:34                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 22:28                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-10-13 19:34                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-13 19:49                                         ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 15:26                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-14 15:47                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-14 16:57                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-15  7:16                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-17 14:13                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-17 18:33                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-17 18:41                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 17:01                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-17 14:53                                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:07                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 16:34                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 17:53                                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:06                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18  3:27                                                   ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 14:34                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 14:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 15:05                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:36                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:26                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:15                                                       ` joakim
2016-10-18 16:20                                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 18:37                                                       ` Browsers inside Emacs (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:19                                                 ` Concurrency, again Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:47                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 19:47                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 20:29                                               ` Web browsing (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 19:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:44                                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19  8:52                                               ` Concurrency, again Ricardo Wurmus
2016-10-19 13:07                                                 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 20:02                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:38                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20  7:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 15:15                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 15:42                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 22:22                                                             ` Cairo bugs (was Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21  7:31                                                             ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-21 19:43                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23  6:23                                                                 ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23  9:39                                                                   ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23 10:26                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-20 18:15                                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-20 18:41                                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 20:56                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  1:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 19:24                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 20:33                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  6:53                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 12:39                                                                 ` Tookits (was Re: Emacs as browser) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21 12:57                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 13:45                                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                       ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 18:30                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:57                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-21  1:45                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-21  3:09                                                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-25 13:30                                     ` Concurrency, again Philipp Stephani
2016-10-12 21:24                           ` joakim
2016-10-12 18:19                   ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  4:45                     ` SAKURAI Masashi
2016-10-17 15:29                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-18  3:14                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-18  6:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18  7:58                       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18  9:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:08                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 10:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 10:18                               ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-19 11:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  6:08                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20  7:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  7:12                                 ` Herring, Davis
2016-10-20  7:55                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20 16:22                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-18 10:46                         ` Alan Third
2016-10-19  7:02                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 14:04                         ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-25 13:27                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 16:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 16:45                       ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 16:48                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 17:04                           ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-25 18:43                             ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 21:44                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 23:28                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-27 17:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 19:13                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 20:55                                       ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-10-27 21:50                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28  7:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31  6:42                                   ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-26 14:03                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 17:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:22               ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 14:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 14:41                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-26 13:50                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 14:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-26 14:39                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-25 16:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 15:24             ` Emacs Lisp's future raman
2016-10-09 12:43         ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-09 13:13           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 19:29 ` Lluís [this message]
2014-09-17 19:34   ` Guile emacs thread (again) Lally Singh
2014-09-18 12:23 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-19  1:15   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-20 13:20   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 15:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 13:35       ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 16:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 17:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-16 18:07 Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-16 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii

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