From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
stephen@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:23:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oatj2hoz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1XclJ5-0002Po-Er@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:17:15 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> There are many ways for two different designs to be "similar". They
> are also different. The details are crucial for users' reactions. I
> think the people who objected to those behaviors, which involved
> changing the file contents, might not mind the confirmation much.
That kind of choice would require the assumption that any file operation
(and any other encoding/decoding action) is an immediate, direct, and
obvious consequence of a user interaction with Emacs.
That is not the case, and it has never been. And even where it is the
case, there is nothing to be gained by letting Emacs refuse viewing
files.
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-11 7:23 UTC|newest]
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2014-09-17 7:38 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Kristian Nygaard Jensen
2014-09-17 15:15 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:15 ` James Cloos
2014-09-17 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 21:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 1:09 ` James Cloos
2014-09-18 7:12 ` Helmut Eller
2014-09-18 7:46 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-18 18:59 ` Johan Bockgård
2014-09-18 21:01 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 0:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:24 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-26 13:43 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-26 14:15 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-26 14:45 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-09-26 15:05 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 8:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 8:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-26 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-26 15:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 8:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 8:49 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 10:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 11:13 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 14:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 15:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 17:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-28 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-29 1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 20:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-05 7:53 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 9:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 10:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 11:10 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 11:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 14:30 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 15:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 18:29 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <"<83lhotme1e.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-06 3:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 19:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 0:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 15:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:16 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 10:09 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-10-06 6:21 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:27 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:31 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:53 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:52 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 17:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-08 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 7:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 7:37 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 18:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-06 23:00 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 1:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:14 ` David Kastrup
[not found] ` <"<83y4srjaot.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-07 15:15 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 15:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 18:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:34 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 17:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:36 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 18:56 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 19:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 23:11 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08 3:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-08 15:03 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 15:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 3:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 4:14 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 7:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 8:05 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-11 18:50 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-07 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 1:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 7:52 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 9:22 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 3:04 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 7:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 1:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:18 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 23:51 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-12 1:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 8:38 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 12:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 12:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 14:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 16:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 2:40 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 4:49 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 4:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 1:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:23 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-10-11 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:22 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83r3yg9bpu.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-10-10 16:02 ` Drew Adams
2014-10-10 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 7:36 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:25 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-06 19:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 19:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 18:34 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-05 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 3:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08 0:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 2:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08 3:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 3:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 3:44 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 7:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 1:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 3:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 4:49 ` Mike Gerwitz
2014-10-09 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 11:06 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 17:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 17:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 5:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 8:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 8:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 9:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 10:17 ` Uwe Brauer
2014-10-13 10:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 10:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 14:55 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-13 17:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 17:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 17:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 18:04 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 10:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 8:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 20:03 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 3:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 5:54 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 11:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 11:57 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 13:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:51 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 16:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 17:18 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 18:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 2:11 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-14 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 13:16 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-15 14:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:43 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-16 18:12 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-10 21:56 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-10-10 22:56 ` Drew Adams
2014-10-11 1:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-27 17:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-27 19:33 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-28 7:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-29 13:17 ` K. Handa
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-17 2:57 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-17 11:01 ` Tom
2014-09-17 12:28 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 12:58 ` Tom
2014-09-17 13:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-09-17 14:15 ` Tom
2014-09-17 11:43 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 14:21 ` Lally Singh
2014-09-17 15:04 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 16:29 Guile emacs thread (again) Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-09-17 18:24 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-09-17 18:42 ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-18 2:07 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40 ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 6:35 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19 ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 7:18 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19 8:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19 8:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 16:54 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 5:04 ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 7:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 2:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 3:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 3:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:53 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:00 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 8:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<E1XV2UO-0005CA-Vk@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-09-19 18:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:03 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23 7:45 ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29 8:33 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 7:58 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 22:49 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46 ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31 ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00 ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08 8:23 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10 9:00 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 1:42 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 7:47 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12 3:17 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17 0:44 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 4:09 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10 4:51 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11 4:06 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 4:18 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 7:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 17:08 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-10 15:26 ` raman
2016-10-07 15:32 ` Kelvin White
2016-10-07 16:18 ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-07 16:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08 2:09 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03 ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 2:59 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10 15:24 ` raman
2016-10-09 12:43 ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-09 13:13 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
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