From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rekado@elephly.net, jwiegley@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:15:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161020111527.26bf4ab9@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83twc7tqxr.fsf@gnu.org>
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:33:52 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > Wayland is on the horizon for Linux. X doesn't have an infinite
> > life ahead of it, it dates from the 1980s and the free OS world
> > is working to move past it (thus Wayland).
>
> Mostly irrelevant for Emacs, since we have no experts on that on
> board, and no development being done in that direction AFAIK.
> Without such development, we will be forever tied to X (and die
> when it dies), and any attempts to break those ties will end up
> like the Cairo build did, unfortunately, even though the person who
> worked on that was an excellent expert (he just left too soon).
>
> IOW, all these nice developments are just pipe dreams, as long as no
> one works seriously on adapting Emacs to them.
I have never really looked at the terminal layer stuff. (There are
four front ends now, right? MS Windows, X, NextStep and tty, yes?)
Is there any documentation about the internal interfaces between the
terminal layer and the back end? I doubt I'm skilled enough in
something like Wayland to do this work but I'd like to get a bit of a
sense of how awful the work is.
And what *did* happen to the Cairo stuff? Cairo would make Wayland
easy if I recall correctly.
> IMO, working on that is much more important for the future of Emacs
> than any other improvements, including, but not limited to, the
> "future of Emacs Lisp" discussions, the "feature/integrated-elpa"
> discussions, etc. Developing Emacs without first-class experts on X
> on board makes no sense to me.
Perhaps no first class experts in the area are aware that Emacs needs
the help?
Perry
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2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03 ` Lennart Borgman
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2014-09-17 18:42 ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 19:25 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-18 2:07 ` Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40 ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 21:54 ` Regular expression creation [was: Re: Emacs Lisp's future] Alexis
2014-09-18 23:37 ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-09-19 0:00 ` Alexis
2014-09-19 2:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 10:07 ` Alexis
2014-09-26 15:25 ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-09-19 18:04 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 6:35 ` Emacs Lisp's future Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19 ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 7:18 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19 8:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19 8:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 8:43 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Emilio Lopes
2014-09-16 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 16:54 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 5:04 ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 18:04 ` performance isn't a concern in ... " Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 19:08 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 7:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 2:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 3:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 3:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:53 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:00 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 8:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01 ` Richard Stallman
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2014-09-19 18:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:03 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23 7:45 ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29 8:33 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 7:58 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 6:26 ` Adding packages to ELPA (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 6:47 ` Adding packages to ELPA Rasmus
2014-09-19 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:56 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:31 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:29 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 15:41 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 16:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:09 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 15:05 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 20:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:00 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22 7:53 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-22 14:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22 19:34 ` SP? {Spam?} " Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 22:49 ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46 ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31 ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00 ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08 8:23 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10 9:00 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 1:42 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 7:47 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12 3:17 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17 0:44 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 4:09 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10 4:51 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11 4:06 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 4:18 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 7:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55 ` Elias Mårtenson
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2016-10-07 16:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08 2:09 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03 ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 2:59 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10 7:17 ` Concurrency, again (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 15:42 ` Concurrency, again Paul Eggert
2016-10-12 12:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 15:24 ` raman
2016-10-12 16:42 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 18:01 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 19:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 20:59 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 21:20 ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-12 21:33 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 22:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 23:33 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:27 ` Perry E. Metzger
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2016-10-13 18:14 ` Stefan Monnier
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2016-10-17 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-10-25 22:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2016-10-13 19:49 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 15:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
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2016-10-14 16:57 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:03 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-15 7:16 ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-17 14:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
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2016-10-17 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 17:01 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-17 14:53 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 16:34 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 17:53 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 3:27 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 14:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 15:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:15 ` joakim
2016-10-18 16:20 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 18:37 ` Browsers inside Emacs (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:19 ` Concurrency, again Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 20:29 ` Web browsing (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 19:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:44 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 8:52 ` Concurrency, again Ricardo Wurmus
2016-10-19 13:07 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 20:02 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:38 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 15:15 ` Perry E. Metzger [this message]
2016-10-20 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 22:22 ` Cairo bugs (was Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21 7:31 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-21 19:43 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23 6:23 ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23 9:39 ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23 10:26 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-20 18:15 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-20 18:41 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 20:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21 1:45 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 19:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 20:33 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 12:39 ` Tookits (was Re: Emacs as browser) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 13:45 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 18:30 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:57 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-21 1:45 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-21 3:09 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-25 13:30 ` Concurrency, again Philipp Stephani
2016-10-12 21:24 ` joakim
2016-10-12 18:19 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15 4:45 ` SAKURAI Masashi
2016-10-17 15:29 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-18 3:14 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-18 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 7:58 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 9:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:08 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 10:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 10:18 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-19 11:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-10-20 7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 7:12 ` Herring, Davis
2016-10-20 7:55 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20 16:22 ` Paul Eggert
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2016-10-19 7:02 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 14:04 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-25 13:27 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 16:45 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 16:48 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 17:04 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-25 18:43 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 21:44 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 23:28 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-27 17:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 19:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 20:55 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-10-27 21:50 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-10-26 14:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:22 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 14:41 ` Philipp Stephani
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2016-10-26 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-26 14:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-25 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:47 ` Richard Stallman
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2016-10-09 13:13 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2014-09-18 12:23 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-19 1:15 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-20 13:20 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 13:35 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 16:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 20:09 ` Stefan Monnier
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