From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:46:38 +0200 Message-ID: <83blb7k74x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11076"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, gregory@heytings.org, pwr@bydasein.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 08:47:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lPKiS-0002kB-6m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:47:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49202 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lPKiR-0008JK-60 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:47:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lPKhg-0007tf-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lPKhe-00008v-PC; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:46:50 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1787 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lPKhV-0002u0-QX; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:46:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:14:37 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267005 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:14:37 -0400 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, gregory@heytings.org, pwr@bydasein.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > "A lot"? Aren't we exaggerating a bit? This thread amassed more than 150 messages; how many of them can be qualified as "ungood karma"? > > Instead of disputing who is more wrong, how about if we simply try to > make the discussion kind from now on? I generally find abstract calls to behave kindly not effective enough. First, it is unclear who was unkind, or why some utterance/behavior is unkind, or how to behave differently to make it less so. If someone indeed intended to be unkind, then the answer is clear at least to that person. But that is rarely the case; it certainly isn't so in this last episode. Therefore, I find that discussing this a bit is indeed beneficial, as it lets people think more about possible misinterpretations of their words, and maybe choose better ones next time; and it also tells those on the receiving end to be more tolerant to what could well be an innocent joke or even just a misunderstanding, due to language and cultural nuances.