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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: sds@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master 18b680cfd1: Fix bug#52467 by adding a new custom variable 'display-comint-buffer-action'
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:40:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55692797-f030-e2c0-02c9-070974c4aedf@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lzr19stxiu.fsf@3c22fb11fdab.ant.amazon.com>

 >> That's an exaggeration.  You can always work around this problem via
 >> 'display-buffer-alist'.
 >
 > Are you saying that by manipulating `display-buffer-alist' I can stop
 > `pop-to-buffer' from using the same window?!

Yes.

 > How?

(add-to-list 'display-buffer-alist
              '("\\*shell\\*" nil (inhibit-same-window . t)))

(pop-to-buffer-same-window "*shell*")

Have you ever read sections 29.15.5 and 29.15.6 of the Elisp manual?
These contain numerous examples of how to add the 'inhibit-same-window'
action alist entry to do precisely that.

 >> But we cannot simply convert everything that used
 >> 'switch-to-buffer' once (or still uses it) to use 'pop-to-buffer'
 >> instead.
 >
 > That's okay, we can leave `switch-to-buffer' alone.

Then we have to leave 'pop-to-buffer-same-window' alone too.
'pop-to-buffer-same-window' is the customizable version of
'switch-to-buffer'.

 >> The greatest problem the 'display-buffer-alist' functionality had to
 >> deal with was to leave the default behavior unchanged while adding
 >> enough facilities so users could change the behavior to their like.
 >
 > IIUC, using `pop-to-buffer' for *shell* and adding something like
 >
 > (("*shell*" (display-buffer-reuse-window)))
 >
 > to `display-buffer-alist' is equivalent to using
 > `pop-to-buffer-same-window' on *shell*.

There is no such equivalence.  Think of 'pop-to-buffer' as a proposal.
It's what the writer of an application considers the best choice for
fulfilling its customers' needs.  'display-buffer-alist' is the user's
answer for dealing with that proposal.

 >> Deciding is not sufficient.  Users have to customize it and you should
 >> have now noticed by yourself that dealing with 'display-buffer-alist' is
 >> not entirely trivial.
 >
 > Understatement of the year.

Every second specification I write fails initially.

 > This is why I want us to use it instead of `pop-to-buffer-*' - to give
 > users a good starting example to modify.

We can add that to the manual - as soon as we think it's good enough.

martin




  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-31 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20211228223009.6D0BAC002EE@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-12-28 22:37   ` master 18b680cfd1: Fix bug#52467 by adding a new custom variable 'display-comint-buffer-action' Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-28 22:59     ` jakanakaevangeli
2021-12-29  8:17     ` Juri Linkov
2021-12-29 15:00   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-29 16:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30  8:34       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-30  8:47         ` martin rudalics
2021-12-30 10:25           ` martin rudalics
2021-12-30 14:40             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-30 17:12               ` martin rudalics
2021-12-30 17:29                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-30 18:30                   ` martin rudalics
2021-12-31 16:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-31 18:41                       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-30 16:04             ` Juri Linkov
2021-12-30 17:14               ` martin rudalics
2021-12-31 16:47                 ` Sam Steingold
2021-12-31 18:42                   ` martin rudalics
2021-12-31 16:38             ` Sam Steingold
2021-12-31 18:42               ` martin rudalics
2021-12-31 18:55                 ` Sam Steingold
2021-12-31 19:40                   ` martin rudalics [this message]
2022-01-03 17:22                     ` Sam Steingold
2021-12-30 17:24           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-30 18:30             ` martin rudalics
2021-12-31 16:28               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-31 18:41                 ` martin rudalics
2022-01-02 16:21                   ` Madhu
2022-01-02 17:09                     ` martin rudalics
2022-01-02 17:43                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-02 18:40                     ` martin rudalics
2022-01-02 20:52                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-01-03  7:45                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-03 18:21                           ` martin rudalics
2022-01-03 18:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 10:25                               ` martin rudalics
2022-01-04 15:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-03 21:07                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-04 10:26                               ` martin rudalics
2022-01-06 15:30                                 ` martin rudalics
2022-01-06 19:52                                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-07 10:36                                     ` martin rudalics
2022-01-07 18:49                                       ` Sam Steingold
2022-01-07 19:03                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-07 19:16                                           ` Sam Steingold
2022-01-11 17:20                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-11 18:02                                         ` martin rudalics
2022-01-11 18:15                                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-12  8:43                                             ` martin rudalics
2022-01-03  7:51                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-12-29 17:29     ` Sam Steingold
2021-12-29 16:43   ` Glenn Morris

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