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From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
Subject: Re: A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:08:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <514033F0.8000201@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1ip4wpip4.fsf@tsdye.com>

Am 12.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Thomas S. Dye:
>
>
> Aloha all,
>
> wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse)
> writes:
>
>> Jambunathan,
>>
>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> People are disregarding my "moral rights" over my work and pushing me in
>>> a corner to act a certain way to serve their own interests.  This I feel
>>> is plain wrong and an act of snatching or appropriation.
>>>
>>> Jambunathan K.
>>
>> Moral right and copyright are unrelated concepts.  In the jurisdictions
>> that recognize "author's moral right" or "droit moral" (much of the EU
>> and other civil-code countries), such right is non-assignable and would
>> not even be affected by the FSF papers.  However, in the jurisdictions
>> where copyright is assignable, it has nothing to do with author's moral
>> right.
>>
>> If we're going to discuss "moral right" in the less legalistic and more
>> broad sense of your rights in an ethical society as a person with
>> agency, I think you're disregarding the rights of prior contributors to
>> the ox-html program, of which you were but one of many.  Those
>> contributors did intend the code to become part of Emacs, and, morally
>> as well as legally, you entered into an agreement to further that aim
>> when you decided to work on it.  If you really do intend to take your
>> ball and go home, do please call a fork a fork--and also do please
>> recognize that you are the one "snatching" or "appropriating" a joint
>> work out of your own sense of pique.
>>
>>> I want to fork ox-html.el and ox-odt.el (as it stands today in Org repo)
>>> to GNU ELPA repo.  I request that Emacs maintainers recognize the GNU
>>> ELPA version (maintained by me) as the authoritative official versions
>>> of these files that gets bundled with SUMO Emacs.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>>    Jambunathan
>>>      +---------------+
>>>      |  ox-html.el   +---  push               Emacs maintainer
>>>      |  ox-odt.el    |   \-----
>>>      |  GNU ELPA     |         \-----    +--------------------+
>>>      |               |               \-->|                    |
>>>      +---------------+                   | lisp/org/ox-html.el|
>>>             ^  Push                      | lisp/org/ox-odt.el |
>>>             |                            |                    |
>>>             |                            +--------------------+
>>>             |                            | Other org files    |
>>>      +------+---------+               /->|                    |
>>>      |                |           /---   |                    |
>>>      |     Org repo   |      /----       |                    |
>>>      |                |  /---            +--------------------+
>>>      |                +--  push
>>>      |                |
>>>      |                |
>>>      +----------------+
>>>       Org maintainer
>>
>>
>> This makes no sense at all.  It is needless busywork for the Emacs
>> maintainer to integrate code from one particular contributor who is unable
>> to cooperate with the maintainer of the project to which he
>> contributes.  It also unnecessarily inconveniences ordinary Emacs/Org
>> users, who would now face a further obstacle to simply using the
>> software.  They already have to go elsewhere to get contrib/ programs
>> or to use the latest version of Org; now you want to make it so that
>> even the release version of Org is fractured and schismed.  That is
>> totally unacceptable.
>
> If this analysis is correct, then Jambunathan's proposal furthers his
> stated purpose "to delay the release [of Org] or cause confusion".
>
> I am concerned (perhaps out of ignorance) that Jambunathan's ability to
> contribute code to Org might be used to the same effect.
>
> Because I am keen to know that my investment in Org is being suitably
> protected, could someone assure me either that my concern is unfounded,
> i.e., that code contributed by Jambunathan can be successfully vetted so
> that it doesn't delay development or cause confusion, or that
> appropriate steps have been taken to ensure that future code
> contributions from Jambunathan will not become part of Org?
>
> All the best,
> Tom
>

Hi Tom,

while not being



  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-13  8:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-10 14:56 Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 15:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 22:18 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-11  1:43   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11  4:23     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-11  3:14   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  5:28   ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-11  6:00     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  6:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11  6:10   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11  6:41     ` Germán A. Arias
2013-03-11  7:38       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 12:53         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 14:39           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 15:52             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 17:58   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-11 19:12     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 19:52       ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12  2:33         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  5:05           ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12  6:12             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  6:23             ` A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 17:02               ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-12 18:38                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-13  8:08                   ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2013-03-13  8:18                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-12  6:57             ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 16:40           ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 16:59             ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:37             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-13  2:04               ` William Gardella
2013-03-13 18:32               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-13 18:43                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-14 22:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-01  8:32                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 21:06                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-04-01 21:35                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-02 13:22                       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03  0:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  6:50                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:05                             ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:16                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:32                                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  8:46                                   ` Bastien
2013-04-03  9:23                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  9:58                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-04-03 10:40                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 14:39                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:09                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:25                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:40                                                     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-03 16:43                                                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:56                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:04                                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:20                                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:34                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:44                                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:49                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 18:27                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:37                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  1:49                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:57                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 12:29                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-03 23:10                                                                       ` Germán A. Arias
2013-04-04  2:31                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:54                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  6:16                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 20:57                                                                     ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit (was: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)) Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 21:39                                                                       ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:09                                       ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) W. Greenhouse
2013-04-03  8:36                                 ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:42                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:15                                     ` J. David Boyd
2013-04-03 15:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:21                 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-14  3:08                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 11:20                     ` Bastien
2013-03-13 22:13                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  0:57                   ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 10:42                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 16:00                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:01                         ` Bastien
2013-03-14 17:09                           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:56                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 18:53                             ` Bastien
2013-03-14 19:29                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 15:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 19:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 22:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15  0:42                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-15  6:39                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 12:49                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 15:54                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  2:20                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 15:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 16:05                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 16:11                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 16:13                         ` Ivan Andrus
2013-03-12  0:27     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 17:00       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-12 17:48         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:54         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 14:13   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 20:11 ` Glenn Morris
2013-03-12 20:25   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 21:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13  2:36       ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  3:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:35       ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-14  2:44         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14  2:56           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 18:03           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-01  8:03             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01  8:29               ` Eli Zaretskii

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