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From: wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse)
To: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:06:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874nfqj6zh.fsf@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 878v52slbh.fsf@gmail.com

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I have no intention of cancelling my copyright assignment for Emacs
> (unilaterally from my side).  

That's news.

>  I have no doubts that my patches are useful to me and also a broad
> audience.
>
> I think it is only right that a developer request that some of his work
> be excluded from assignment with prior notice to copyright clerk.  Emacs
> is a suite.  The intention of future assignment is merely a logistical
> convenience.  
>
> Personally, I don't want to support Org-mode developement under the
> maintainership of Bastien Guerry.  The fact that I am doing pro-bono
> work doesn't mean that I give others the right to step on me like "a
> door mat".

I don't think I or anyone else is disputing your right to cancel your
assignment.  However, your words created the perception that you were
attempting to inconvenience Emacs by slowing Org's integration into the
next Emacs release--neither cancelling nor not cancelling, but simply
creating a miasma of FUD around your code.  You've now clarified that
you are no longer doing this, which is a relief.

As bkuhn indicated in the post you linked, you have the right to cancel
your assignment at any time.  You also have the right not to work on Org
ever again.  You do not have the right to sit in the middle of the road
to obstruct development because you don't like the maintainer.  As Eli
observed, the appropriate remedy for irreconcilable differences is to
fork.  Please do so if you wish; the Emacs community practically
invented forking.

> If I can make a proprietary version out of (prior) assigned work, then
> saying "diff for Emacs" belong to Emacs seems a bit inconsistent.  

> So, a "diff for Emacs or the suite", in and of itself, is devoid of any
> meaning without further qualification.

I am not sure how the FSF wishes to play this, but in copyright terms,
"[the default distribution of] Emacs" is a compilation of many works
independently copyrightable.  Compilations can get copyright protection
as such, and the protection accorded to, e.g., a journal, or a volume of
several monographs with different authors and one editor, is not "devoid
of meaning."  By Org's policies as a project, most of Org with the
exception of contrib/ requires assignment in order to be included in the
compilation.

But you understand all this already, I expect, as your delaying tactics
seem to have been based on a sophisticated knowledge of the harm and
inconvenience you would be causing to Org users.

> Btw, I didn't receive $1 or GNU stickers.  Other contributors seem to
> have received these "considerations".  I would have loved to get these!

If that would've prevented all this, then I'm really sorry it didn't
happen.

-- 
Regards,
WGG




  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-01 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-10 14:56 Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 15:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 22:18 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-11  1:43   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11  4:23     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-11  3:14   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  5:28   ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-11  6:00     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  6:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11  6:10   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11  6:41     ` Germán A. Arias
2013-03-11  7:38       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 12:53         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 14:39           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 15:52             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 17:58   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-11 19:12     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 19:52       ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12  2:33         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  5:05           ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12  6:12             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  6:23             ` A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 17:02               ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-12 18:38                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-13  8:08                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-13  8:18                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-12  6:57             ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 16:40           ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 16:59             ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:37             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-13  2:04               ` William Gardella
2013-03-13 18:32               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-13 18:43                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-14 22:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-01  8:32                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 21:06                       ` W. Greenhouse [this message]
2013-04-01 21:35                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-02 13:22                       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03  0:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  6:50                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:05                             ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:16                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:32                                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  8:46                                   ` Bastien
2013-04-03  9:23                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  9:58                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-04-03 10:40                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 14:39                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:09                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:25                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:40                                                     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-03 16:43                                                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:56                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:04                                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:20                                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:34                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:44                                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:49                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 18:27                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:37                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  1:49                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:57                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 12:29                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-03 23:10                                                                       ` Germán A. Arias
2013-04-04  2:31                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:54                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  6:16                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 20:57                                                                     ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit (was: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)) Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 21:39                                                                       ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:09                                       ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) W. Greenhouse
2013-04-03  8:36                                 ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:42                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:15                                     ` J. David Boyd
2013-04-03 15:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:21                 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-14  3:08                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 11:20                     ` Bastien
2013-03-13 22:13                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  0:57                   ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 10:42                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 16:00                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:01                         ` Bastien
2013-03-14 17:09                           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:56                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 18:53                             ` Bastien
2013-03-14 19:29                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 15:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 19:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 22:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15  0:42                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-15  6:39                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 12:49                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 15:54                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  2:20                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 15:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 16:05                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 16:11                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 16:13                         ` Ivan Andrus
2013-03-12  0:27     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 17:00       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-12 17:48         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:54         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 14:13   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 20:11 ` Glenn Morris
2013-03-12 20:25   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 21:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13  2:36       ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  3:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:35       ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-14  2:44         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14  2:56           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 18:03           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-01  8:03             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01  8:29               ` Eli Zaretskii

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