From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
subhan.tindall@rentrakmail.com, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:02:18 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878v52slbh.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1UGGez-0005c1-CK@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:30:05 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> At what point does a piece of code or a diff become a "change to Emacs"?
>
> A diff for Emacs is always a change to Emacs.
> I will think about the questions raised by a separate Lisp file.
As an impartial observer, I think the phrase - "diff for Emacs" -
(including a whole new file) requires further qualification. See below.
I have been tracking the following story
http://lwn.net/Articles/543339/#Comments
Therein, Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) has the following to say. I quote,
> Speaking as a member of FSF's Board of Directors, I can tell you
> that the FSF copyright assignment agreement is under near-constant
> review, and has been for decades. The agreement can be canceled by
> the developer and further changes made thereafter wouldn't be
> assigned.
> It sounds to me like Jambunathan is exploring whether or not he
> wants to cancel this assignment. That's his right, but it's
> interesting to note that Jambunathan hasn't canceled
> yet. Presumably, he is exploring the cost-benefit analysis as to
> whether he'd like his new code to continue to be concluded in the
> FSF's canonical distribution of Emacs or not.
I have no intention of cancelling my copyright assignment for Emacs
(unilaterally from my side). I have no doubts that my patches are
useful to me and also a broad audience.
I think it is only right that a developer request that some of his work
be excluded from assignment with prior notice to copyright clerk. Emacs
is a suite. The intention of future assignment is merely a logistical
convenience.
Personally, I don't want to support Org-mode developement under the
maintainership of Bastien Guerry. The fact that I am doing pro-bono
work doesn't mean that I give others the right to step on me like "a
door mat".
> Anyway, it's unfortunate the Corbet's article above doesn't
> reiterate the advantages of assigning to FSF to
> developers. Specifically, the FSF takes on the obligation of being
> the publisher of the code (which can sometimes be a dangerous act in
> today's world), and also, FSF handles enforcement of the GPL for the
> codebase. Finally, FSF gives a liberal license back to the developer
> (i.e., Jambunathan could have always made proprietary software out
> of his own assigned works after doing the assignment), and FSF
> further promises never to publish a proprietary version of the
> software itself.
If I can make a proprietary version out of (prior) assigned work, then
saying "diff for Emacs" belong to Emacs seems a bit inconsistent.
So, a "diff for Emacs or the suite", in and of itself, is devoid of any
meaning without further qualification.
> Finally, given the liberal license grant-back and the realities of
> the general nature of private changes, the comment in the article
> about what happens with private changes seems like a red herring to
> me.
Btw, I didn't receive $1 or GNU stickers. Other contributors seem to
have received these "considerations". I would have loved to get these!
Jambunathan K.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-01 8:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-10 14:56 Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 15:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 22:18 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-11 1:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 4:23 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-11 3:14 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 5:28 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-11 6:00 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 6:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 6:10 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 6:41 ` Germán A. Arias
2013-03-11 7:38 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 12:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 14:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 15:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-11 19:12 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 19:52 ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 2:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 5:05 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12 6:12 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 6:23 ` A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 17:02 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-12 18:38 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-13 8:08 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-13 8:18 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-12 6:57 ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 16:40 ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 16:59 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 1:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-13 2:04 ` William Gardella
2013-03-13 18:32 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-13 18:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-14 22:30 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-01 8:32 ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2013-04-01 21:06 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-04-01 21:35 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-02 13:22 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 6:50 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 8:05 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 8:16 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 8:32 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 8:46 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 9:23 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 9:58 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-04-03 10:40 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 14:39 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:25 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:40 ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-03 16:43 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:44 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 18:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 1:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 12:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-03 23:10 ` Germán A. Arias
2013-04-04 2:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04 2:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 6:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 20:57 ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit (was: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)) Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 21:39 ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:09 ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) W. Greenhouse
2013-04-03 8:36 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 8:42 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:15 ` J. David Boyd
2013-04-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:21 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-14 3:08 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 11:20 ` Bastien
2013-03-13 22:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 0:57 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 10:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 16:00 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:01 ` Bastien
2013-03-14 17:09 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:56 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 18:53 ` Bastien
2013-03-14 19:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 15:21 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 19:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 22:31 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 0:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-15 6:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 12:49 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 15:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 2:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 16:05 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 16:11 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 16:13 ` Ivan Andrus
2013-03-12 0:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 17:00 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-12 17:48 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 1:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 20:11 ` Glenn Morris
2013-03-12 20:25 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 21:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 2:36 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 3:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:35 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-14 2:44 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 2:56 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 18:03 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-01 8:03 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 8:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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