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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:32:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjyafnuo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5970C071-C9AD-4754-BDE7-4AAFA5CF4D33@gmail.com>

Carsten Dominik writes:

 > If we allow people to reduce functionality of a package that is
 > already in Emacs by making changes to it,

Too late.  That's already allowed by the GPL, in fact, it's a
fundamental principle of software freedom.

 > then withdraw the assignment, I think this would create a bad
 > precedent.

Well, the question is whether committing to the org-mode repository
*legally* constitutes a contribution to Emacs covered by the "future"
assignment.  If not, you don't have a choice.  If it does, then the
assignment can't be withdrawn; the transfer of ownership of a specific
copyright is an historical event, not an ongoing contract.

As for the practical issue of allowing authors to withdraw code
(whether they have a legal right to do so or not), I side with Stefan
if it hasn't actually landed in the Emacs mainline yet.  It's the old
story of "If you love something, set it free.  If it comes back, it's
yours forever.  If not, it never really was yours."  (Of course this
applies to the OP with equal force, but that doesn't mean Emacs
shouldn't respect it just because he doesn't.)  I mean, if this
actually creates a *precedent*, then Emacs as a community is dead
anyway.[1]


Footnotes: 
[1]  Of course this doesn't apply to a case of contribution with
*intent* to withdraw.  If it really seems like it was done in bad
faith, then fight with all the legal resources you have.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-11  6:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-10 14:56 Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 15:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 22:18 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-11  1:43   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11  4:23     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-11  3:14   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  5:28   ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-11  6:00     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11  6:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2013-03-11  6:10   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11  6:41     ` Germán A. Arias
2013-03-11  7:38       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 12:53         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 14:39           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 15:52             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 17:58   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-11 19:12     ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 19:52       ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12  2:33         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  5:05           ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12  6:12             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12  6:23             ` A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 17:02               ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-12 18:38                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-13  8:08                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-13  8:18                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-12  6:57             ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 16:40           ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 16:59             ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:37             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-13  2:04               ` William Gardella
2013-03-13 18:32               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-13 18:43                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-14 22:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-01  8:32                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 21:06                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-04-01 21:35                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-02 13:22                       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03  0:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  6:50                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:05                             ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:16                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03  8:32                                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  8:46                                   ` Bastien
2013-04-03  9:23                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03  9:58                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-04-03 10:40                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 14:39                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:09                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:25                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:40                                                     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-03 16:43                                                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:56                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:04                                                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:20                                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:34                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:44                                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:49                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 18:27                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:37                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  1:49                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:57                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 12:29                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-03 23:10                                                                       ` Germán A. Arias
2013-04-04  2:31                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  2:54                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04  6:16                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 20:57                                                                     ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit (was: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)) Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 21:39                                                                       ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:09                                       ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) W. Greenhouse
2013-04-03  8:36                                 ` Bastien
2013-04-03  8:42                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:15                                     ` J. David Boyd
2013-04-03 15:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:21                 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-14  3:08                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 11:20                     ` Bastien
2013-03-13 22:13                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  0:57                   ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 10:42                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 16:00                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:01                         ` Bastien
2013-03-14 17:09                           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:56                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 18:53                             ` Bastien
2013-03-14 19:29                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 15:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 19:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 22:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15  0:42                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-15  6:39                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 12:49                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 15:54                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14  2:20                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 15:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 16:05                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 16:11                       ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 16:13                         ` Ivan Andrus
2013-03-12  0:27     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 17:00       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-12 17:48         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  1:54         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 14:13   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 20:11 ` Glenn Morris
2013-03-12 20:25   ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 21:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13  2:36       ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13  3:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:35       ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-14  2:44         ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14  2:56           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 18:03           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-01  8:03             ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01  8:29               ` Eli Zaretskii

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