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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rgm@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.
Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1nlflV-0007VV-Fx@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h7697p7b.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 01 May 2022 09:16:08 +0300)

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  > The difficulty is that the hook and the characters vary significantly
  > from major mode to major mode.  The latter one, for example, can in
  > some modes include characters that are very unintuitive, like ':'.

That is true -- I did not speak clearly.  Of course, when a major mode
customizes this, it's the major mode's responsibility to document
how it sets up such indentation.

But what does Electric Indent mode it do in modes that DON'T customize it?
For instance, what does it do in Fundamental mode?  It doesn't say.
I as a user don't know anywhere to look for this.

  > Why is that important?  Fundamental mode is not supposed to be used
  > frequently by Emacs users, so why single out that mode, and why
  > specifically for this minor mode?

Because Fundamental mode is the default for a file with no special
name or contents to specify another major mode.
And because that minor mode is enabled by default.

So a user who visits the file foo.bar gets behavior
which apparently is not documented anywhere.
Not in the doc string of fundamental-mode,
and not in the doc string of electric-indent-mode.
So where should it be?

  > > The doc string also fails to say what, concretely, reindenting does, or even
  > > what controls what reindenting does.  So it needs a lot of improvement.

How about adding, "Typically the major mode controls what reindenting does."?



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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-02 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-05 12:55 bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 15:13   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 15:34     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-05 15:38       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 17:57         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-05 19:59           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 19:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 20:18       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-06 19:48     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-05 20:23 ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:43   ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:53   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-17  2:50     ` John Wiegley
2022-04-27 14:39       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01  1:53         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-01  6:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 23:47             ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2022-05-03  7:03               ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-03 14:28                 ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-04 22:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-05  5:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 11:02                     ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-05 16:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 18:34                         ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-06 23:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-07  6:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 23:08                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-07 18:33     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3712.1454686507.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:21   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-06 14:36     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-06 16:59 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 19:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-07 21:02 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 21:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 19:39 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 21:01 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-09  3:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box>
     [not found] ` <<834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-02-05 15:36   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <<20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de>
2016-02-06 15:57   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <<E1aSU9T-0002aS-5O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-07 19:43     ` Drew Adams

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