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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21ab8829-7de9-4344-8882-ad77eb57593f@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de>>

> >> +1.  Fundamental mode should be Notepad-like as much as possible IMHO.
> >> (Incidentally, I almost never use Fundamental mode, exactly because of
> >> that.)
> 
> > Fundamental mode is not really supposed to be used by users
> > interactively, AFAIK.  It should not even have the functionality
> > of Notepad.  It is used as an empty inheritance point for other
> > modes.  It is the "bottom" of modes. ;-)
> 
> I think fundamental mode existed long before derived modes did.  To say
> it shouldn't be used directly by users is a bit strange, IMAO.  I use it
> fairly often, e.g. when I'm testing, and I want to clear out buffer local
> variables from some buffer, or to re-initialise font locking, or
> something like that.

In that case, I'd still suggest that Fundamental mode should be truly
trivial, with no particular expectation that it be used interactively,
and with it not chosen as the default mode for any buffers in `emacs -Q'.

But I'd also suggest that we create an intermediate mode that is _almost_
trivial, that inherits from Fundamental mode, and that provides whatever
is considered a bare minimum for interactive use.  If that bare minimimum
includes electric indentation, so be it.  But I do think we should not
be adding to Fundamental mode.  (Just one opinion.)





       reply	other threads:[~2016-02-06 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <<20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de>
2016-02-06 15:57   ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found]   ` <<E1aSU9T-0002aS-5O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-07 19:43     ` bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough Drew Adams
     [not found] <<20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box>
     [not found] ` <<834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-02-05 15:36   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 12:55 Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 15:13   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 15:34     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-05 15:38       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 17:57         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-05 19:59           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 19:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 20:18       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-06 19:48     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-05 20:23 ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:43   ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:53   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-17  2:50     ` John Wiegley
2022-04-27 14:39       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01  1:53         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-01  6:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 23:47             ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-03  7:03               ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-03 14:28                 ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-04 22:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-05  5:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 11:02                     ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-05 16:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 18:34                         ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-06 23:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-07  6:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 23:08                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-07 18:33     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3712.1454686507.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:21   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-06 14:36     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-06 16:59 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 19:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-07 21:02 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 21:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 19:39 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 21:01 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-09  3:31   ` Eli Zaretskii

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