From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: rgm@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.
Date: Tue, 03 May 2022 20:00:07 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h7664kmg.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1nlflV-0007VV-Fx@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:41 -0400)
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org,
> johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:41 -0400
>
> > The difficulty is that the hook and the characters vary significantly
> > from major mode to major mode. The latter one, for example, can in
> > some modes include characters that are very unintuitive, like ':'.
>
> That is true -- I did not speak clearly. Of course, when a major mode
> customizes this, it's the major mode's responsibility to document
> how it sets up such indentation.
>
> But what does Electric Indent mode it do in modes that DON'T customize it?
That is only important to document if enough important major modes
don't customize it.
However, I suggested to say something along these lines, and you
didn't respond to that part. My suggestion was to say this:
The electric characters normally include the newline, but can also
include other characters as needed by the major mode; see
`electric-indent-chars' for the actual list.
> For instance, what does it do in Fundamental mode? It doesn't say.
> I as a user don't know anywhere to look for this.
>
> > Why is that important? Fundamental mode is not supposed to be used
> > frequently by Emacs users, so why single out that mode, and why
> > specifically for this minor mode?
>
> Because Fundamental mode is the default for a file with no special
> name or contents to specify another major mode.
> And because that minor mode is enabled by default.
Sorry, I disagree that Fundamental mode is important. Its being the
default doesn't mean users frequently see it, not at all.
> > > The doc string also fails to say what, concretely, reindenting does, or even
> > > what controls what reindenting does. So it needs a lot of improvement.
>
> How about adding, "Typically the major mode controls what reindenting does."?
I'm sorry, I don't think I understand how saying that would help.
Unless a person knows "what reindenting does" (or even what is
"reindenting"), this leaves the issue as obscure as it was before.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-03 17:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-05 12:55 bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 15:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 15:34 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-05 15:38 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 17:57 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-05 19:59 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 20:18 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-06 19:48 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-05 20:23 ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:43 ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-17 2:50 ` John Wiegley
2022-04-27 14:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01 1:53 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-01 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 23:47 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-03 7:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-03 14:28 ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-05-04 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-05 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 11:02 ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-05 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 18:34 ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-06 23:20 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-07 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 23:08 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-07 18:33 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <mailman.3712.1454686507.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:21 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-06 14:36 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-06 16:59 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-07 21:02 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 21:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 19:39 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 21:01 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-09 3:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <<20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box>
[not found] ` <<834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-02-05 15:36 ` Drew Adams
[not found] <<mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de>
2016-02-06 15:57 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <<E1aSU9T-0002aS-5O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-07 19:43 ` Drew Adams
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