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From: Katherine Cox-Buday <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com>
To: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 10:44:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fu2rip0r.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180506125312.aadd4fixeungiwv6@thebird.nl> (Pjotr Prins's message of "Sun, 6 May 2018 14:53:12 +0200")

Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl> writes:

>> Not packaging FF or crippling FF is a no-go! Doing so will discourage
>> users from using GuixSD and Free Software.

As an anecdote with a data-point of one, I uninstalled GuixSD because I
suddenly needed the machine I was running it on to be my daily driver. I
had been attempting to package Firefox whenever I had a spare moment,
but I ran out of time and needed it to work as I didn't have time to
migrate all the machines I use to a libre-friendly browser (nor am I
sure I want to).

> That is an interesting one. GNU Guix, by virtue of it being a GNU
> project needs to abide by GNU free software terms. But even among core
> project members there are variations in thought in how to compromise
> with user requirements. A package manager that does not target user
> needs is a shitty package manager. This is one reason I champion the
> concept of channels:
>
> guix channel firefox http://some-origin/guix-channels/firefox
> guix package -i firefox
>
> so we can make GNU Guix as pure as possible and leverage less pure
> concepts (such as Firefox and Conda) into something that is not
> considered part of the core project. I think it would also render
> other maintenance benefits, for example versioning of old software
> would become much easier.
>
> guix channel ruby-1.8 http://some-origin/guix-channels/ruby-1.8
> guix package -i ruby
>
> I hope we get something like this at some point.

So do I. I completely agree with the points made elsewhere in this
thread about joining idealism with pragmatism, and I think channels are
a good way to allow people who want/need to run less-than-libre software
to remain with and support Guix, without forcing the project to adopt
software contrary to its goals.

-- 
Katherine

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-16 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-02 21:06 Packaging a free Firefox Clément Lassieur
2018-05-02 21:10 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-03  5:00   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:06     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:09     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 14:29       ` next browser (was: Packaging a free Firefox) Jack Hill
2018-05-03 14:35         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 20:23           ` Jack Hill
2018-05-04  3:36             ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-09 16:45               ` Pierre Neidhardt
     [not found]                 ` <20180510020041.1e8b3956@uwaterloo.ca>
     [not found]                   ` <87d0y3hije.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                     ` ajpatter
2018-05-10 14:36                       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-11  5:00                         ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-19 19:26                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24  9:53                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 14:18                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 15:33                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 16:44                                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 20:37                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]                     ` <87bmdnhhu8.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                       ` ajpatter
2018-05-03  6:06 ` Packaging a free Firefox Chris Marusich
2018-05-03  9:53   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 10:56     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2018-05-11 14:54     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 17:59   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-04 14:24     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-04 16:07       ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 16:27       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-05 12:26         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  7:10       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  8:57         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-15 10:13           ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-05-16 17:27             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-15 16:35           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-17 11:28             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-03 19:07   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-03 20:45   ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-12 13:28     ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-05 22:06 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-06  1:24   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06  6:01     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-06 13:58       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 16:35         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06  9:48     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06 12:53       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 15:44         ` Katherine Cox-Buday [this message]
2018-05-16 16:10           ` Tonton
2018-05-16 17:56             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17 11:34               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-17 13:47                 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 15:10                   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-17 15:29                     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 17:57                       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-18  4:14                         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21  4:58                           ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21 20:07                             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  4:18                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-22 19:05                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-31  1:51                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-08-01  0:58                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-21 20:09                           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  3:55                             ` Alex Vong
2018-05-18  5:19                 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-18  4:25             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 19:07           ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-16 19:54           ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-05-16 20:50             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17  1:26           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-17  8:21             ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-05-17 11:36             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-06 14:05       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 15:32         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-06 16:33         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-07  0:36           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-07  6:42             ` jah
2018-05-07 16:30           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08  8:36             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-08  0:06           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-08  0:20       ` Mark H Weaver

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