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From: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
To: Tonton <tonton@riseup.net>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 06:25:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180518042517.3ey3bsbs4peh3zba@thebird.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180516181028.1a9cd04b@merlin.browniehive.net>

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 06:10:28PM +0200, Tonton wrote:
> I guess channels already sort of exist. have a git repo or similar with
> whatever guix packages in it and point $GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH at it. Then all
> packages defined in your git repo are suddenly part of your available guix
> packages.

The GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH works on an individual basis. When it comes to
sharing it is totally inconvenient. I know because we are using it in
production.

The main problems are (1) people need to check out a source tree to
use it - with troublesome instructions and slow install routes
(typically a few hours) and (2) the git versions of the GNU Guix repo
has to be in sync with the GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH repo.

With my collaborators we often face problems - even yesterday we had a
package conflict.

One reason we channels are slow in coming is because they need to
resolve multiple problems. But in a nutshell they are about sharing
software that is not in Guix mainline, divert responsibility to
channel maintainers, while providing fast trusted binary installs. 

One thing that needs to be resolved is how much we share with the Guix
trunk (i.e., the running Guix with pull). My current thought is that
we should share *nothing*. This is the only way to have reproducible
installs from channels. Of course the risk is that the daemon goes out
of sync. But I think we can handle that if the guix client makes sure
incompatibilities are notified. The channel should be updated to
support updated daemons.

You can see that thinking this through is non-trivial and Guix
maintainers probably realize there are more problems ;)

At this point everyone is hacking it their own way. Witness people
writing their own packages for firefox. Would be nice to have a
consistent path where we can be more efficient.

Pj.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-18  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-02 21:06 Packaging a free Firefox Clément Lassieur
2018-05-02 21:10 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-03  5:00   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:06     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:09     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 14:29       ` next browser (was: Packaging a free Firefox) Jack Hill
2018-05-03 14:35         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 20:23           ` Jack Hill
2018-05-04  3:36             ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-09 16:45               ` Pierre Neidhardt
     [not found]                 ` <20180510020041.1e8b3956@uwaterloo.ca>
     [not found]                   ` <87d0y3hije.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                     ` ajpatter
2018-05-10 14:36                       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-11  5:00                         ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-19 19:26                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24  9:53                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 14:18                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 15:33                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 16:44                                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 20:37                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]                     ` <87bmdnhhu8.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                       ` ajpatter
2018-05-03  6:06 ` Packaging a free Firefox Chris Marusich
2018-05-03  9:53   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 10:56     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2018-05-11 14:54     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 17:59   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-04 14:24     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-04 16:07       ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 16:27       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-05 12:26         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  7:10       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  8:57         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-15 10:13           ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-05-16 17:27             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-15 16:35           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-17 11:28             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-03 19:07   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-03 20:45   ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-12 13:28     ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-05 22:06 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-06  1:24   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06  6:01     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-06 13:58       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 16:35         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06  9:48     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06 12:53       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 15:44         ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-16 16:10           ` Tonton
2018-05-16 17:56             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17 11:34               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-17 13:47                 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 15:10                   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-17 15:29                     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 17:57                       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-18  4:14                         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21  4:58                           ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21 20:07                             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  4:18                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-22 19:05                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-31  1:51                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-08-01  0:58                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-21 20:09                           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  3:55                             ` Alex Vong
2018-05-18  5:19                 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-18  4:25             ` Pjotr Prins [this message]
2018-05-16 19:07           ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-16 19:54           ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-05-16 20:50             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17  1:26           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-17  8:21             ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-05-17 11:36             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-06 14:05       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 15:32         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-06 16:33         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-07  0:36           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-07  6:42             ` jah
2018-05-07 16:30           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08  8:36             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-08  0:06           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-08  0:20       ` Mark H Weaver

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