From: Nils Gillmann <gillmann@infotropique.org>
To: "Clément Lassieur" <clement@lassieur.org>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 05:06:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180503050640.vll3x5ljvgejjhuk@abyayala> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180503050020.ljaqgrop6uwy24op@abyayala>
Nils Gillmann transcribed 2.4K bytes:
> Clément Lassieur transcribed 1.5K bytes:
> >
> > Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> writes:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I find Icecat very buggy, even if I compare it to a home-made Firefox
> > > package that inherits Icecat (and thus is very close to Icecat). For
> > > example I can't even pay with my credit card with icecat-52-guix,
> > > whereas I can with firefox-home-52-guix. (It looks like a javascript
> > > issue.) Also, lots of videos don't work, and it's difficult to know
> > > whether it's because of technical issues or because of DRM.
> > >
> > > This may discourage people from using GuixSD.
> > >
> > > My understanding is that Icecat exists because of two reasons:
> > > 1. a trademark/logo issue,
> > > 2. the need to remove non-free code from Firefox.
> > >
> > > But it does more:
> > > 3. it only packages the stables versions of Firefox,
> > > 4. it adds add-ons,
> > > 5. it prevents the installation of non-free plugins,
> > > 6. probably other things that I'm not aware of.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that the trademark/logo issue and the non-free code
> > > removal could be dealt with at the Guix packaging level. It's probably
> > > just a huge bunch of substitutes to do. The package would be huge, but
> > > at least we would have control on it.
> > >
> > > That would remove a layer of complexity, and probably reduce bugs (that
> > > come from that layer). That would also allow us to have a recent
> > > version of Firefox.
> > >
> > > And it would be way better than everyone (I exaggerate a bit) having his
> > their ^
> > > home-made non-maintened full-of-security-issues Firefox.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > > Clément
> >
> >
> Among other things I've been working on Firefox. Not exactly with the intention
> of a free one per se, but at least to have it. I've been updating Aurora Nightly
> for a while.
> Thing is, it get's tricky after 54.0 due to mandatory Rust. I wanted to give the
> Rust problem another try soon, if you are serious about this, I can try and summarize
> it or provide snippets. You'l be able to find the package definitions, but they do
> not apply to Guix package structure (also I need to relicense it. whatever you'll
> find AGPL3 licensed is in fact GPL3 licensed now. I am just too busy to fix the
> headers, will do it on the weekend).. if I have commited the recent changes to the
> wip version.
> I seem to remember that the gnuzilla mailinglist did drop some hints about the core
> issue I had with rust.
>
Addition: I think constructing and maintaing a free, unbranded version of Firefox (Aurora)
or even a branded one with a Guix theme is possible. What icecat does is not that complex
but it requires at least more than 1 person checking the sources continuously. Furthermore
we'd need a common ground of goals what changes would be applied and what changes are a
no-go.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-03 5:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-02 21:06 Packaging a free Firefox Clément Lassieur
2018-05-02 21:10 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-03 5:00 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03 5:06 ` Nils Gillmann [this message]
2018-05-03 5:09 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 14:29 ` next browser (was: Packaging a free Firefox) Jack Hill
2018-05-03 14:35 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 20:23 ` Jack Hill
2018-05-04 3:36 ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-09 16:45 ` Pierre Neidhardt
[not found] ` <20180510020041.1e8b3956@uwaterloo.ca>
[not found] ` <87d0y3hije.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04 ` ajpatter
2018-05-10 14:36 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-11 5:00 ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-19 19:26 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 9:53 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 14:18 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 15:33 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 16:44 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 20:37 ` Ricardo Wurmus
[not found] ` <87bmdnhhu8.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04 ` ajpatter
2018-05-03 6:06 ` Packaging a free Firefox Chris Marusich
2018-05-03 9:53 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 10:56 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2018-05-11 14:54 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 17:59 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-04 14:24 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-04 16:07 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 16:27 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-05 12:26 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15 7:10 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15 8:57 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-15 10:13 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-05-16 17:27 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-15 16:35 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-17 11:28 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-03 19:07 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-03 20:45 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-12 13:28 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-05 22:06 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-06 1:24 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 6:01 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-06 13:58 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 16:35 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06 9:48 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06 12:53 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 15:44 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-16 16:10 ` Tonton
2018-05-16 17:56 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17 11:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-17 13:47 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 15:10 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-17 15:29 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 17:57 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-18 4:14 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21 4:58 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21 20:07 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22 4:18 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-22 19:05 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-31 1:51 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-08-01 0:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-21 20:09 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22 3:55 ` Alex Vong
2018-05-18 5:19 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-18 4:25 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 19:07 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-16 19:54 ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-05-16 20:50 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17 1:26 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-17 8:21 ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-05-17 11:36 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-06 14:05 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 15:32 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-06 16:33 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-07 0:36 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-07 6:42 ` jah
2018-05-07 16:30 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08 8:36 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-08 0:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-08 0:20 ` Mark H Weaver
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