* linux-libre updates, timeliness
@ 2020-09-30 22:45 Leo Famulari
2020-10-05 13:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
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From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-09-30 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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I just pushed commit 51eb3e11 [0], bringing our linux-libre kernel
packages up to date.
It's September 30 here. The commit is dated September 28, because that's
when I made it. These kernels were released upstream on September 26.
Personally, I am okay with the risks implied by this kind of timeframe,
but as a distro we should try to do these updates more quickly. Ideally,
they should be updated as soon as the sources are available and the
packager has tested the changes. I am committed to helping maintain the
linux-libre packages, but I won't always update our packages right away.
Everyone can contribute here! Minor linux-libre kernel updates can be
relied upon to work. They almost never cause blocking problems, based on
the lack of bug reports about them.
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https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=51eb3e113c478f0683e92412785ee82e56c45621
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-09-30 22:45 linux-libre updates, timeliness Leo Famulari
@ 2020-10-05 13:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-10-05 21:12 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2020-10-06 14:49 ` Leo Famulari
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2020-10-05 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: guix-devel
Hi Leo,
Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:
> I just pushed commit 51eb3e11 [0], bringing our linux-libre kernel
> packages up to date.
>
> It's September 30 here. The commit is dated September 28, because that's
> when I made it. These kernels were released upstream on September 26.
Of course we can always do better, but I think 4 days is reasonable.
> Personally, I am okay with the risks implied by this kind of timeframe,
> but as a distro we should try to do these updates more quickly. Ideally,
> they should be updated as soon as the sources are available and the
> packager has tested the changes. I am committed to helping maintain the
> linux-libre packages, but I won't always update our packages right away.
>
> Everyone can contribute here! Minor linux-libre kernel updates can be
> relied upon to work. They almost never cause blocking problems, based on
> the lack of bug reports about them.
What update, build, and testing recipe would you recommend to someone
willing to help?
Thanks for your work, much appreciated!
Ludo’.
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-10-05 13:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2020-10-05 21:12 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2020-10-06 14:48 ` Leo Famulari
2020-10-06 14:49 ` Leo Famulari
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yasuaki Kudo @ 2020-10-05 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel
Hi,
Just out of curiosity, is it the case if only Linux Kernel team itself separated the controversial (with GNU folks, at least 😄) aspect of Linux as some build option, we don't have to maintain this "LinuxLibre" in the first place?
Cheers,
Yasu
> On Oct 5, 2020, at 22:53, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Leo,
>
> Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:
>
>> I just pushed commit 51eb3e11 [0], bringing our linux-libre kernel
>> packages up to date.
>>
>> It's September 30 here. The commit is dated September 28, because that's
>> when I made it. These kernels were released upstream on September 26.
>
> Of course we can always do better, but I think 4 days is reasonable.
>
>> Personally, I am okay with the risks implied by this kind of timeframe,
>> but as a distro we should try to do these updates more quickly. Ideally,
>> they should be updated as soon as the sources are available and the
>> packager has tested the changes. I am committed to helping maintain the
>> linux-libre packages, but I won't always update our packages right away.
>>
>> Everyone can contribute here! Minor linux-libre kernel updates can be
>> relied upon to work. They almost never cause blocking problems, based on
>> the lack of bug reports about them.
>
> What update, build, and testing recipe would you recommend to someone
> willing to help?
>
> Thanks for your work, much appreciated!
>
> Ludo’.
>
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-10-05 21:12 ` Yasuaki Kudo
@ 2020-10-06 14:48 ` Leo Famulari
2020-10-06 21:32 ` Yasuaki Kudo
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-10-06 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yasuaki Kudo; +Cc: guix-devel
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On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:12:15AM +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, is it the case if only Linux Kernel team itself
> separated the controversial (with GNU folks, at least 😄) aspect of
> Linux as some build option, we don't have to maintain this
> "LinuxLibre" in the first place?
If you are asking if linux-libre is slowing down the process of updating
the kernel for Guix users, the answer is that it's not a significant
delay.
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-10-06 14:48 ` Leo Famulari
@ 2020-10-06 21:32 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2020-10-09 19:54 ` Leo Famulari
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From: Yasuaki Kudo @ 2020-10-06 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: guix-devel
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Sorry, I meant to ask really a simple question because I just wanted to understand LinuxLibre. 😄 There is an explanation here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre
But I was intrigued, that it felt like a situation where a vegetarian would order a pizza from a restaurant that doesn't offer a vegetarian option so he has to painstakingly remove meat from it, while it would have been better if the cook could make it without the meat in the first place 😄
Is above a fair analogy for the Linux Kernel?
Cheers,
Yasu
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 23:48, Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:12:15AM +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, is it the case if only Linux Kernel team itself
>> separated the controversial (with GNU folks, at least 😄) aspect of
>> Linux as some build option, we don't have to maintain this
>> "LinuxLibre" in the first place?
>
> If you are asking if linux-libre is slowing down the process of updating
> the kernel for Guix users, the answer is that it's not a significant
> delay.
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-10-06 21:32 ` Yasuaki Kudo
@ 2020-10-09 19:54 ` Leo Famulari
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-10-09 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yasuaki Kudo; +Cc: guix-devel
On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 06:32:34AM +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
> But I was intrigued, that it felt like a situation where a vegetarian would order a pizza from a restaurant that doesn't offer a vegetarian option so he has to painstakingly remove meat from it, while it would have been better if the cook could make it without the meat in the first place 😄
>
> Is above a fair analogy for the Linux Kernel?
It's not unfair, but remember that it is just an analogy. Analogies are
very imprecise tools for understanding. It's reasonable to expect that a
restaurant would alter their recipes upon request, but Linux is not a
restaurant.
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* Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness
2020-10-05 13:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-10-05 21:12 ` Yasuaki Kudo
@ 2020-10-06 14:49 ` Leo Famulari
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-10-06 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel
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On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 03:53:05PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> What update, build, and testing recipe would you recommend to someone
> willing to help?
I boot a `guix system vm` using the latest stable kernel, and also build
the sources of the rest of the kernels. I also do the "basic" system
test.
I would like to use the build farm to perform continuous integration
testing with all the kernel versions, but that's not currently
practical.
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