From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id AgMiEKjkfF9ZYAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 21:42:00 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id KMdzC6jkfF9uLQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 21:42:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07C579401BC for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 21:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:60906 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPuic-0000Ut-W5 for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:41:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36722) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPuZe-0006Qb-1u for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:32:42 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com ([66.39.4.99]:47699) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPuZa-000231-UO; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:32:41 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396987312D; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.100.13.168] (pw126182208054.27.panda-world.ne.jp [126.182.208.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 056497312B; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24D144D7-9F94-4409-A4B8-3E6C400612F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Yasuaki Kudo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: linux-libre updates, timeliness Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 06:32:34 +0900 Message-Id: References: <20201006144812.GA21955@jasmine.lan> In-Reply-To: <20201006144812.GA21955@jasmine.lan> To: Leo Famulari X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18A393) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/06 17:32:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:41:45 -0400 X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.49 X-TUID: IzInbXd2MZT1 --Apple-Mail-24D144D7-9F94-4409-A4B8-3E6C400612F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I meant to ask really a simple question because I just wanted to unde= rstand LinuxLibre. =F0=9F=98=84 There is an explanation here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre But I was intrigued, that it felt like a situation where a vegetarian would o= rder a pizza from a restaurant that doesn't offer a vegetarian option so he h= as to painstakingly remove meat from it, while it would have been better if t= he cook could make it without the meat in the first place =F0=9F=98=84 =20 Is above a fair analogy for the Linux Kernel? Cheers, Yasu > On Oct 6, 2020, at 23:48, Leo Famulari wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:12:15AM +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, is it the case if only Linux Kernel team itself >> separated the controversial (with GNU folks, at least =F0=9F=98=84) aspec= t of >> Linux as some build option, we don't have to maintain this >> "LinuxLibre" in the first place? >=20 > If you are asking if linux-libre is slowing down the process of updating > the kernel for Guix users, the answer is that it's not a significant > delay. --Apple-Mail-24D144D7-9F94-4409-A4B8-3E6C400612F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, I meant to ask real= ly a simple question because I just wanted to understand LinuxLibre.   =F0= =9F=98=84  There is an explanation here:


But I was intrigued, that it felt like a situation where= a vegetarian would order a pizza from a restaurant that doesn't offer a veg= etarian option so he has to painstakingly remove meat from it, while it woul= d have been better if the cook could make it without the meat in the first p= lace =F0=9F=98=84  

Is= above a fair analogy for the Linux Kernel?

=
Cheers,
Yasu

On Oct 6, 2020, at 23= :48, Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOn Tue, Oct 06, 2= 020 at 06:12:15AM +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
Just out of curiosity, is it the case if only Linux Kernel team i= tself
separated the c= ontroversial (with GNU folks, at least =F0=9F=98=84) aspect of
Linux as some build option, we don= 't have to maintain this
"LinuxLibre" in the first place?
If you are asking if linux-libre is slowing down the process of updat= ing
the kernel for Guix users, the answer is that it's not a= significant
delay.
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