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From: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: Ian Eure <ian@retrospec.tv>, guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:28:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5mvyjl4.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87il1mupco.fsf@meson>

Hi,

On sam., 16 mars 2024 at 08:52, Ian Eure <ian@retrospec.tv> wrote:

> They appear to be using the archive to build LLMs: 
> https://www.softwareheritage.org/2024/02/28/responsible-ai-with-starcoder2/

About LLM, Software Heritage made a clear statement:

    https://www.softwareheritage.org/2023/10/19/swh-statement-on-llm-for-code

Quoting:

        We feel that the question is no longer whether LLMs for code
        should be built. They are already being built, independently of
        what we do, and there is no turning back.  The real question is
        how they should be built and whom they should benefit.

Principles:

        1. Knowledge derived from the Software Heritage archive must be
        given back to humanity, rather than monopolized for private
        gain. The resulting machine learning models must be made available
        under a suitable open license, together with the documentation and
        toolings needed to use them.

        2. The initial training data extracted from the Software Heritage
        archive must be fully and precisely identified by, for example,
        publishing the corresponding SWHID identifiers (note that, in the
        context of Software Heritage, public availability of the initial
        training data is a given: anyone can obtain it from the
        archive). This will enable use cases such as: studying biases
        (fairness), verifying if a code of interest was present in the
        training data (transparency), and providing appropriate attribution
        when generated code bears resemblance to training data (credit),
        among others.

        3. Mechanisms should be established, where possible, for authors to
        exclude their archived code from the training inputs before model
        training begins.

I hope it clarifies your concerns to some extent.


Moreover, you wrote: « I want absolutely nothing to do with them. »

Maybe there is a misunderstanding on your side about what “free
software” and GPL means because once “free software”, you cannot prevent
people to use “your” free software for any purposes you dislike.

If you want to bound the use cases of the software you create, you need
to explicitly specify that in the license.  And if you do, your software
will not be considered as “free software”.

That’s the double sword of “free software”. :-)

Cheers,
simon


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-18 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-16 15:52 Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-03-16 17:50 ` Christopher Baines
2024-03-16 18:24   ` MSavoritias
2024-03-16 19:08     ` Christopher Baines
2024-03-16 19:45     ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-17  7:06       ` MSavoritias
2024-03-16 19:06   ` Ian Eure
2024-03-16 19:49     ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-16 23:16   ` Vivien Kraus
2024-03-16 23:27     ` Tomas Volf
     [not found]     ` <EoCuAq3N681mOIAh7ptCyXiyscM9R0iPDBWId1eS4EbTJ2-ARWNfGuqtXIvmqcJNBl1SQvMM4X6-GiC5LiUv4TJv6J4ritPA3uZ2JBwkAzQ=@protonmail.com>
2024-03-16 23:40       ` Fw: " Ryan Prior
2024-03-16 17:58 ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18  9:50   ` Please hold your horses Simon Tournier
2024-03-16 21:37 ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ryan Prior
2024-03-17  9:39   ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2024-03-17  9:47     ` MSavoritias
2024-03-17 11:53       ` paul
2024-03-17 11:57         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-17 14:57           ` Richard Sent
2024-03-17 16:28           ` Ian Eure
2024-03-17 12:51         ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-17 23:56           ` Attila Lendvai
2024-03-20 15:25         ` contributor uuid (was Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive) bae66428a8ad58eafaa98cb0ab2e512f045974ecf4bf947e32096fae574d99c6
2024-03-17 16:20       ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-03-17 16:55         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18 14:04     ` pinoaffe
2024-03-17 13:03 ` Olivier Dion
2024-03-17 17:57 ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-03-20 17:22   ` the right to rewrite history to rectify the past (was Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive) Giovanni Biscuolo
2024-03-21  6:12     ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 10:49       ` Attila Lendvai
2024-03-21 11:51       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-03-21 11:52       ` pinoaffe
2024-03-21 15:08         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2024-03-21 15:11           ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 22:11             ` Philip McGrath
2024-03-21 16:17           ` pinoaffe
2024-03-21 15:23       ` Hartmut Goebel
2024-03-21 15:27         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 15:54           ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-03-22  4:33           ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-03-21 16:18         ` Efraim Flashner
2024-03-21 16:23         ` pinoaffe
2024-03-18  9:28 ` Simon Tournier [this message]
2024-03-18 11:47   ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive MSavoritias
2024-03-18 13:12     ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-18 14:00       ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18 14:32         ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-18 16:27   ` Kaelyn
2024-03-18 17:39     ` Daniel Littlewood
2024-03-18 20:38     ` Olivier Dion
2024-03-18 19:38   ` Ian Eure
2024-03-18 22:02     ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-03-19 10:58     ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-19 15:37       ` Ian Eure
2024-03-18 11:14 ` Content-Addressed system and history? Simon Tournier
2024-04-20 18:48 ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-05-01 15:29   ` Ian Eure
2024-05-01 15:41     ` Tomas Volf
2024-05-02 10:28   ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-05-09 16:00     ` Maxim Cournoyer

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