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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Subject: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:40:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rju1l26kic.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020906221957.GB7270@gnu.org> (Miles Bader's message of "Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:19:57 -0400")

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> The way keymaps are handled, traditionally, is via incremental modification,
> not simply `setting' them, and customize should be no different.

Is there a reason customize should not be different?

> In any case, it doesn't really seem that hard to do better -- customize
> should only ever add or remove entries from keymaps, not `set the keymap,'
> and it should keep track of which ones it did, and only save those when
> saving.  One way to do this is just have an alist of (MAP-VAR ADDED DEL'D)
> entries (where ADDED and DEL'D are lists of keys).

That is what Alex' code does.

What do you suggest it should do when the user remove an ADDED item?

> Many people set keybindings in mode hooks and the like; sometimes they've
> copied that code from other people and don't really understand it.  The
> `trash everything' approach obviously messes this up.

But in an obvious way.  Alex new code does so in an non-obvious way.

When you remove an ADDED item, the value last seen by customize is
restored.  What that value is depend on timing, i.e. whan any Lisp
level changes (from hooks or whatever) have been done.  Before or
after the last change?

> [Maybe you're suggesting that interactive and `non-interactive' (e.g. invoked
> by `M-:') uses of global-set-key work differently, but I think that's
> unacceptable.]

Yes.  That is what Stefan have implemented for global minor modes.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-07 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-23 14:15 [CVS] f7, f8 bound D. Goel
2002-08-25 23:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-25 22:39   ` D. Goel
2002-08-26 15:26   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-27  2:02     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-27  8:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 10:32         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 10:01           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 11:55             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 11:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 16:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-28  1:12         ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28  8:54             ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28 10:58                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 10:21                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 10:47                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 14:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-29 14:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 17:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-08 23:02                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 10:49                           ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-09 13:43                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 19:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 21:50                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 23:45                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-10 16:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 12:17                             ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-10 23:16                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-11  9:03                                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 13:37                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 14:28                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-28 14:41                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 23:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  9:25                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-30  6:09                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:48                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30 23:55                           ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:21                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-01 13:14                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-01 14:22                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-01 14:37                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 17:05                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-02 17:54                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:24                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 10:55                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 13:02                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:53                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 15:04                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 17:31                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 19:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-09-03 22:56                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 23:53                                                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 11:59                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:35                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 23:23                                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 10:31                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 15:30                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:25                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 13:00                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 10:00                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05 14:59                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 16:18                                                               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-05 19:13                                                                 ` D. Goel
2002-09-05 15:05                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 18:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04 22:00                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 10:15                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  1:16                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 10:07                                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 22:19                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:40                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
2002-09-06 17:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:21                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  0:53                                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07  0:32                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  7:59                                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 13:35                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 15:45                                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  7:45                                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 14:08                                                               ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 23:43                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  8:05                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  9:19                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 12:20                                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 14:09                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 15:23                                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 17:25                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:33                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 10:29                                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11  1:40                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 17:57                                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:52                                                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  0:21                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  1:52                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:47                                                         ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:39                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 14:23                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:12                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 15:09                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 15:17                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 14:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 16:40                                     ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 21:55                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 12:27                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 22:35                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 22:49                                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  0:45                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04 10:00                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05  2:47                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:18                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  9:51                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 15:11                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-05  9:26                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 22:30                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07 14:12                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 18:03                                                   ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 18:35                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 15:10                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 16:17                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-06  4:01                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 13:50                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 16:47                                               ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 14:20                                                 ` use diff-list in Emacs Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:52                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 22:46                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-08 19:22                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-04 14:20                                           ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 17:20                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 17:28                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:03                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:01                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 12:40                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 13:07                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 14:17                                                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-07 17:48                                                         ` What custom is and does Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 22:57                                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  7:49                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 18:58                                                         ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-09 13:53                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:59                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  9:06                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:11                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07  9:15                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:28                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 13:48                                                   ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:56                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:39                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:10                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 22:06                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:12                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:49                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:58                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-10 10:19                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-08 12:54                                                 ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  7:57                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:33                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 18:07                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:04                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:49                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11 20:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 21:09                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
     [not found]                             ` <m2it1qqmae.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:36                               ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:45                                 ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 12:55                           ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                         ` <m2r8geqole.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01  5:19                           ` Damien Elmes
2002-09-02  0:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03  0:04                             ` David A. Cobb
2002-08-29 14:38                   ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 13:47                     ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                   ` <m2wuq6qpai.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:45                     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 18:42               ` Edward O'Connor
2002-08-29  1:16                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 23:32               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  1:14                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30  6:22                     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 19:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:40                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  2:16                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02  1:23                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-02 10:22                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-02  9:38                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:26                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:39                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-04 14:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-08 22:51                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-30 19:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:00                       ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:28                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-30 14:49                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-31  0:33                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  6:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-29 14:42                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  1:05                   ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 12:07                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-28  6:52       ` Richard Stallman

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