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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Cc: schwab@suse.de, miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:31:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rj3csqoxkz.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m17mN16-000IeBC@localhost> ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:23:28 +0000 (UTC)")

"Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com> writes:

> Hmmm.... I occasionally use Customize (mainly for faces, which I do
> really not understand) and I use setq, and also, I hand edit the
> expressions that Customize inserts in my .emacs file.

With either Alex or my code, what is saved to the .emacs file will
look nothing like what you would write by hand.  You can still edit
it, though.

> Please, arrange that customize and everything else work with just
> *one* variable.  Not two.  Otherwise, you will make maintenance much
> harder.  Thank you.

I believe maintenance will be much harder with one variable that tries
to do everything, rather than two variables with clearly identified
purposes.

Example:

foo-mode.el:  Defines foo-mode-map.
foo-extra.el: Defines some new bindings for foo-mode-map.

With Alex current code, the foo-extra bindings will be removed each
time the user make any changes to his own bindings.

We could change Alex' code to remember the old user bindings, but then
the result will depend on whether the user bindings were were made
before or after foo-extra.el was loaded, and if the standard bindings
change in foo-mode.el, removing the user bindings will give you the
old binding, with the risk of weird errors.

We may be able to overcome these problems, or choose to ignore them,
but in either case I believe the end result will be much more complex
than simply having two keymaps, one for customize, and one for Lisp.

We don't need the extra non-keymap variable, Alex code use a symbol
property instead, which should work just as well.  Only customize have
an interest in that value, so there is no problem hiding it that way.

We _can_ also use a property for the customize keymap, but since that
is the map the mode need to enable (with use-local-mode), it will have
to know about it.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-04 10:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-23 14:15 [CVS] f7, f8 bound D. Goel
2002-08-25 23:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-25 22:39   ` D. Goel
2002-08-26 15:26   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-27  2:02     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-27  8:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 10:32         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 10:01           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 11:55             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 11:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 16:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-28  1:12         ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28  8:54             ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28 10:58                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 10:21                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 10:47                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 14:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-29 14:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 17:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-08 23:02                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 10:49                           ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-09 13:43                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 19:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 21:50                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 23:45                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-10 16:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 12:17                             ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-10 23:16                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-11  9:03                                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 13:37                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 14:28                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-28 14:41                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 23:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  9:25                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-30  6:09                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:48                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30 23:55                           ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:21                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-01 13:14                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-01 14:22                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-01 14:37                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 17:05                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-02 17:54                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:24                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 10:55                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 13:02                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:53                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 15:04                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 17:31                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 19:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-09-03 22:56                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 23:53                                                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 11:59                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:35                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 23:23                                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 10:31                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
2002-09-04 15:30                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:25                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 13:00                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 10:00                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05 14:59                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 16:18                                                               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-05 19:13                                                                 ` D. Goel
2002-09-05 15:05                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 18:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04 22:00                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 10:15                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  1:16                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 10:07                                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 22:19                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:40                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 17:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:21                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  0:53                                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07  0:32                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  7:59                                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 13:35                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 15:45                                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  7:45                                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 14:08                                                               ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 23:43                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  8:05                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  9:19                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 12:20                                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 14:09                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 15:23                                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 17:25                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:33                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 10:29                                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11  1:40                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 17:57                                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:52                                                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  0:21                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  1:52                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:47                                                         ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:39                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 14:23                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:12                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 15:09                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 15:17                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 14:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 16:40                                     ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 21:55                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 12:27                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 22:35                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 22:49                                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  0:45                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04 10:00                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05  2:47                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:18                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  9:51                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 15:11                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-05  9:26                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 22:30                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07 14:12                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 18:03                                                   ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 18:35                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 15:10                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 16:17                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-06  4:01                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 13:50                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 16:47                                               ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 14:20                                                 ` use diff-list in Emacs Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:52                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 22:46                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-08 19:22                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-04 14:20                                           ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 17:20                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 17:28                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:03                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:01                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 12:40                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 13:07                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 14:17                                                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-07 17:48                                                         ` What custom is and does Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 22:57                                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  7:49                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 18:58                                                         ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-09 13:53                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:59                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  9:06                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:11                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07  9:15                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:28                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 13:48                                                   ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:56                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:39                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:10                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 22:06                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:12                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:49                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:58                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-10 10:19                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-08 12:54                                                 ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  7:57                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:33                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 18:07                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:04                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:49                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11 20:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 21:09                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
     [not found]                             ` <m2it1qqmae.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:36                               ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:45                                 ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 12:55                           ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                         ` <m2r8geqole.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01  5:19                           ` Damien Elmes
2002-09-02  0:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03  0:04                             ` David A. Cobb
2002-08-29 14:38                   ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 13:47                     ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                   ` <m2wuq6qpai.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:45                     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 18:42               ` Edward O'Connor
2002-08-29  1:16                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 23:32               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  1:14                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30  6:22                     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 19:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:40                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  2:16                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02  1:23                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-02 10:22                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-02  9:38                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:26                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:39                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-04 14:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-08 22:51                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-30 19:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:00                       ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:28                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-30 14:49                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-31  0:33                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  6:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-29 14:42                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  1:05                   ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 12:07                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-28  6:52       ` Richard Stallman

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