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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:45:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020901104517.GB9909@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2wuq6qpai.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>

On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:58:29AM +0200, huug wrote:
> Hmm..  Maybe someone could explain why start-macro ought to have a
> different binding then end-macro?  As far as I can recall, you can't
> start a macro definition when you are recording a macro, so..

If the macro start/end-definition keys are separate from execute-macro, as
with the standard emacs bindings, then you could combine them for the reason
you say.  However, Kim's scheme puts end-definition and execute-macro on the
same key, so you can't combine that with start-definition (because then it
wouldn't know if you want to execute the macro again, or define a new macro).

In other words, you need at least two keys for macros.

> Having learnt Emacs under OS/2, <f11> means (call-last-kbd-macro) to
> me (not to mention <f2> is (switch-to-other-buffer), <f3>
> (emx-search-forward) and <f4> (emx-search-backward) ;) , so something
> like [C-f11] (start-or-end-kbd-macro), [C-u C-f11]
> (extend-last-kbd-macro) and [M-f11] (name-last-kbd-macro) would be
> more logical to me.

Those bindings are completely meaningless for the great majority of users
(just like Kim's).  This is exactly the reason why we should just avoid
making standard bindings for function keys altogether -- they're not mnemonic
at all.

-Miles
-- 
P.S.  All information contained in the above letter is false,
      for reasons of military security.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-09-01 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-23 14:15 [CVS] f7, f8 bound D. Goel
2002-08-25 23:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-25 22:39   ` D. Goel
2002-08-26 15:26   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-27  2:02     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-27  8:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27  8:55       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 10:32         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 10:01           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 11:55             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-27 11:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-27 16:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-28  1:12         ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28  8:54             ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28 10:58                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 10:21                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-08-28  9:09               ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 10:47                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-28 14:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-29 14:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 17:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-08 23:02                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 10:49                           ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-09 13:43                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 19:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 21:50                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-09 23:45                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-10 16:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 12:17                             ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-10 23:16                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-11  9:03                                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 13:37                 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 14:28                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-28 14:41                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-28 23:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  9:25                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-30  6:09                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:48                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30 23:55                           ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:21                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-01 13:14                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-01 14:22                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-01 14:37                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 17:05                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-02 17:54                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:24                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 10:55                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 13:02                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:53                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 15:04                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 17:31                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 19:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-09-03 22:56                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 23:53                                                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 11:59                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:35                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 23:23                                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 10:31                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 15:30                                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:25                                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 13:00                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 10:00                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05 14:59                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 16:18                                                               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-09-05 19:13                                                                 ` D. Goel
2002-09-05 15:05                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 18:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04 22:00                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 10:15                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  1:16                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 10:07                                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 22:19                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:40                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 17:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:21                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  0:53                                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07  0:32                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07  7:59                                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 13:35                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 15:45                                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 10:28                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  7:45                                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 14:08                                                               ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 23:43                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  8:05                                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  9:19                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 12:20                                                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 14:09                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 15:23                                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 17:25                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:33                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 23:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 10:29                                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11  1:40                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 17:57                                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:52                                                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09  0:21                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  1:52                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09 23:33                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:47                                                         ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:39                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 14:23                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:12                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 15:09                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-03 15:17                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 14:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 16:40                                     ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-02 21:55                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 12:27                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-03 22:35                                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-03 22:49                                             ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  0:45                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04 10:00                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-05  2:47                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  9:18                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  9:51                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-04 15:11                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-05  9:26                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06  4:01                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 22:30                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-07 14:12                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 18:03                                                   ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 18:35                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 15:10                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  2:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 16:17                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-06  4:01                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 13:50                                                     ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 16:47                                               ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 14:20                                                 ` use diff-list in Emacs Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:52                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-07 22:46                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-08 19:22                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-04 14:20                                           ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 17:20                                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-06 17:28                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-06 22:03                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 12:01                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 12:40                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-07 13:07                                                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 14:17                                                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-07 17:48                                                         ` What custom is and does Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 22:57                                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-09  7:49                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 18:58                                                         ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Kai Großjohann
2002-09-09 13:53                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-09 14:59                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:34                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  9:06                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:11                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07  9:15                                               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 12:28                                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-07 13:48                                                   ` Customizing key bindings Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:56                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 13:39                                                 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-07 15:10                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 22:06                                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:12                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:49                                                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-09 22:58                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-10 10:19                                                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-08 12:54                                                 ` Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  7:57                                                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-09 23:33                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-10 18:07                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-11  3:04                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-11  8:49                                                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-11 20:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 21:09                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
     [not found]                             ` <m2it1qqmae.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:36                               ` [CVS] f7, f8 bound Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:45                                 ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 16:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-01 13:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 12:55                           ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                         ` <m2r8geqole.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01  5:19                           ` Damien Elmes
2002-09-02  0:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03  0:04                             ` David A. Cobb
2002-08-29 14:38                   ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-29 13:47                     ` Francesco Potorti`
     [not found]                   ` <m2wuq6qpai.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-09-01 10:45                     ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-08-28 18:42               ` Edward O'Connor
2002-08-29  1:16                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-28 23:32               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29  1:14                 ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30  6:22                     ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 19:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:40                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  2:16                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-01 13:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02  1:23                           ` Miles Bader
2002-09-02 10:22                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-02  9:38                               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 13:26                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 14:39                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-09-04 14:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-08 22:51                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-30 14:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-30 19:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31  0:00                       ` Miles Bader
2002-08-31 11:28                         ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-30 14:49                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-08-31  0:33                       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-31  6:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-29 14:42                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  1:05                   ` Miles Bader
2002-08-30 12:07                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-08-30  6:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-28  6:52       ` Richard Stallman

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