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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	dgutov@yandex.ru, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:20:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YCxTPal5w++0XyCN@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87im6rr5b8.fsf@gnus.org>

Hello, Lars.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 23:55:23 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> > Other people disagree with your judgment, here.

> And some agree.

One of those people questioning that judgment is Eli Zaretskii, the
chief maintainer of Emacs.

> > I explained that in my post from Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:03:53 +0000.  You
> > ignored that post, as you have ignored so many posts questioning your
> > new scheme.  Instead you've ploughed ahead with the changes, without
> > waiting for the desired consensus.

> I have posted more than 50 posts about this in the last few days, but I
> haven't responded to all messages

Many of these posts merely responded to the points made without
answering them.  In fact, some of them were downright evasive, including
at least some to Eli from this evening.  Why did you not deal with these
points before hacking master?

> -- especially since Stefan K had already rebutted the points in your
> post.

He did no such thing.  He expressed a view contrary to mine, and I'm not
sure he even understood what I was saying.  His posts lacked the
customary semantic redundancy that would allow a proper discussion to
have developed.  Indeed, it seemed clear he wasn't leaving any opening
for such a discussion.

But my points have not been answered properly.  You are the person
driving these far-reaching changes.  Why are you evading scrutiny of
them?  Why are you making these changes on master rather than in a
branch?  It seems you want to present a fait accompli without the
consensus.  Why?

Why are you treating Eli with such disrespect?

Again, I ask you, what sort of project do you want Emacs to be?  Do you
value the respect and consensus which has been prevalent up to now, or
are you trying to supplant it with something else?

> -- 
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-16 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20210213141226.EEDFE20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-02-13 20:04   ` scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:05     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 15:29         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:03           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:17               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:20                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:24                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:25                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:25                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-15  3:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:15                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 15:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:31                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:06                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:39                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:46                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:10                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 19:31                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 19:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 20:30                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-16 20:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 22:00                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 22:22                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:37                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17  0:48                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 11:02                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 11:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  9:10                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:08                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 18:42                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17  8:50                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 13:57                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 15:52                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 16:19                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:31                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-17 16:53                                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-16 22:47                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 22:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 23:20                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2021-02-16 23:23                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 15:28                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19  5:36                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-17 15:25                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 15:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 19:01                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:42                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 19:49                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 19:30                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:12                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 23:57                                                                   ` Rolf Ade
2021-02-16 21:44                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  8:58                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:05                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 19:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:07                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:05                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 21:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 21:06                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 22:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  3:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18  4:43                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  5:20                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18 10:33                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:38                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:40                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:47                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-19 12:07                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 14:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 12:35                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:38                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 15:01                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:37                   ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-02-14 23:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 16:49             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:52                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 19:54                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:58             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:02       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 16:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:23           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 17:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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