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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:37:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9arr65g.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <664f975c-9770-6d58-28be-d1bc8cd6bca5@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:22:15 +0200")

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> On 17.02.2021 00:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>> And again, I don't see what makes extending `interactive' so special
>> here.  We introduce new things in Emacs Lisp all the time when we think
>> that that improves the language.
>
> You're extending it in an incompatible way, one that most third-party
> code won't be able to make use of for years to come.

And, again, what makes `interactive' special here?  Any time we
introduce something new on the language level, of course you can't use
that in older Emacs versions.

(Stefan K's macro makes it trivial to use in out-of-tree packages,
though.)

> And this extension basically sets in stone the kinds of "tags"
> read-extended-command-predicate can meaningfully use. The new feature
> being added to 'interactive' is non-extensible.

No, you can add any predicates you want.  But not via `interactive'.

> As for verbosity, it's not like there weren't any suggestions to
> reduce the number of annotations either (like tying command
> definitions to packages, or custom groups, etc).

And I responded to all of those and said why I thought those were bad
ideas.

> Also, why all the new functions in simple.el are called simply
> completion-*? They are not applicable to completion in any other
> contexts, only to command completion in M-x.

Better names are welcome.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-16 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20210213141226.EEDFE20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-02-13 20:04   ` scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:05     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 15:29         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:03           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:17               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:20                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:24                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:25                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:25                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-15  3:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:15                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 15:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:31                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:06                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:39                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:46                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:10                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 19:31                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 19:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 20:30                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-16 20:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 22:00                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 22:22                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:37                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-02-17  0:48                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 11:02                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 11:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  9:10                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:08                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 18:42                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17  8:50                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 13:57                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 15:52                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 16:19                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:31                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-17 16:53                                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-16 22:47                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 22:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 23:20                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 23:23                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 15:28                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19  5:36                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-17 15:25                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 15:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 19:01                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:42                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 19:49                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 19:30                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:12                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 23:57                                                                   ` Rolf Ade
2021-02-16 21:44                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  8:58                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:05                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 19:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:07                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:05                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 21:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 21:06                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 22:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  3:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18  4:43                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  5:20                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18 10:33                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:38                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:40                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:47                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-19 12:07                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 14:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 12:35                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:38                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 15:01                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:37                   ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-02-14 23:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 16:49             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:52                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 19:54                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:58             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:02       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 16:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:23           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 17:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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