From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>,
"Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
Cc: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>,
Daniel Fleischer <danflscr@gmail.com>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:00:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488F258FBC5911BCA615811F3CF9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
> If we started Emacs from a clean slate today,
> we would obviously have put kill-region on C-x.
Would we? Maybe, maybe not.
Pro: Killing text is similar to cutting text.
Con: It's not the same thing. The `kill-ring'
is not what non-emacsers are used to.
This is similar to the pros & cons for words
in different languages that look the same or
similar, and may (or may not) have similar
meanings and uses, but can nevertheless be
quite different in some respects.
In French they're called "faux amis" - fake
friends.
They can help you by giving you an idea
what they mean (immediate recognition).
They can hurt you if you just use them with
the same expectation/understanding you have
for them in your original language.
> We would in my opinion do well to take
> opportunities to make Emacs behave more in
> line with modern user expectations.
Again, yes & no. We should look for what is
good - an improvement - not just for what is
currently popular.
Think Lisp versus the many "modern" languages
that were most popular at one time (Basic,
Pascal,...). Lisp is as old-hat as they get.
(Fortran is only slightly older.) It's still
a great language, and a lot better than the
Best-Of-Show languages that have won Blue
Ribbons over the decades.
We should consider adopting (and improving!)
something that provides real improvement, not
just something that's the flavor of the month
(or the decade).
next reply other threads:[~2021-09-03 18:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-03 18:00 Drew Adams [this message]
2021-09-03 20:06 ` [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Stefan Kangas
2021-09-03 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 2:00 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 13:26 ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 13:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 14:25 ` Keybinding styles Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 15:44 ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 15:55 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 16:07 ` Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 11:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 19:55 ` Keybinding styles Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05 7:17 ` tomas
2021-09-04 16:09 ` Bird
2021-09-04 20:48 ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Tim Cross
2021-09-05 19:03 ` John Yates
2021-09-06 4:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-07 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 12:02 ` John Yates
2021-09-08 3:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 12:15 ` Keybinding styles André A. Gomes
2021-09-08 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 20:37 ` John Yates
2021-09-09 5:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 13:40 ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-15 14:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-15 21:29 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-16 5:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 5:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-09 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04 16:05 ` [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Stefan Kangas
2021-09-04 2:20 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 14:58 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 16:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 16:40 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-05 19:27 ` John Yates
2021-09-07 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 15:31 ` Barry Fishman
2021-09-09 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09 14:07 ` André A. Gomes
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-26 16:20 Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-26 17:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-26 17:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 19:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 20:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 20:51 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 21:41 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-26 21:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-30 16:30 ` João Távora
2021-08-30 16:51 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30 17:59 ` João Távora
2021-08-30 19:18 ` André A. Gomes
2021-08-27 6:21 ` tomas
2021-08-27 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 7:25 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27 1:01 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 7:07 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 7:34 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 8:25 ` tomas
2021-08-27 9:47 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 16:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-27 16:59 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27 17:08 ` tomas
2021-08-29 3:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28 1:39 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28 3:21 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28 5:02 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28 7:53 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28 16:11 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-29 0:54 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-29 3:18 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30 2:59 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27 7:00 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 11:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 21:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 2:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 2:58 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 12:48 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-30 12:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 4:57 ` Elias Mårtenson
2021-09-03 5:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-03 7:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 10:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 11:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 8:02 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 16:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-04 18:39 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 19:14 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 19:51 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:18 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 20:41 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-31 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 11:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 16:03 ` João Távora
2021-08-31 18:53 ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-04 23:45 ` Yuchen Pei
2021-09-05 1:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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